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What are you voting on 8?
« on: October 09, 2008, 12:32:00 PM »
Just trying to figure out how y'all think.

What are you voting on 8?

I'm voting yes.


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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 07:58:37 AM »
which one is 8? The power plant one?. I know 2 is the gay marriage and 7 is the animal one.

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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 04:25:50 PM »
8 is the gay marriage on.  Yes means it's not legal.  No means it's now legal.
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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 04:37:02 PM »
i beleive in the right to........ but im strongly against it. and dont support it. its simply a matter of choosing between sacred morals and politcal morals

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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2008, 09:14:43 PM »
you've got it wrong.... the Courts have said that the State Constitution provides equal rights to everyone... what the pro-8 people want to do is take those rights away from some people just because they don't agree with who they want to marry... it used to be Jews and Blacks and Catholics that "good Christians" couldn't marry... maybe they'll start in on the left-handed or the blond next!!!
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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 11:29:14 AM »
I will vote for the right to carry a gun so I can shoot all the people that dont agree with me.

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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 02:20:25 PM »
I will vote for the right to carry a gun so I can shoot all the people that dont agree with me.

Oy!
I'd rather be happy than right any day.

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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 06:36:46 PM »
"that's funny, you don't look bluish!" (The Blue Meanie in Yellow Submarine)
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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2008, 09:48:38 PM »
Since you asked... :) my .02
I believe that the bible says gay love is a sin.  It also says gambling, lying, getting drunk, cheating on ones mate, sex before marriage, and I could go on...are all sins also.  So I got my sins, and they have theirs.  I don't see a problem with them getting legal recognition to share insurance, or retirement benefits etc.  I'll teach my kids right from wrong, and hope the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Geez, my mom would flip if she hear me saying this.  Well like I said... You asked :)

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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 08:06:56 AM »
Since you asked... :) my .02
I believe that the bible says gay love is a sin.  It also says gambling, lying, getting drunk, cheating on ones mate, sex before marriage, and I could go on...are all sins also.  So I got my sins, and they have theirs.  I don't see a problem with them getting legal recognition to share insurance, or retirement benefits etc.  I'll teach my kids right from wrong, and hope the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Geez, my mom would flip if she hear me saying this.  Well like I said... You asked :)
I agree completely, I think homosexuality is a sin as well, however it's not a "worse sin" than looking at pornography. Which is why I get quite upset at stories of churches turning away homosexuals and transgenders. I mean if you're going to turn someone away for sinning then the church would be completely empty. I mean, if you told some one to leave because of sin, you'd be sinning your self (denying someone access to the house of God), and as appropriate should leave!

here is an a awesome sermon on homosexuality from the church I attend: http://www.vmc.net/con_sermons.cfm?c=1001218&bl=sermon

I do have one question, I have read that the domestic partner status offers all the same legal benefits as marriage. Is this true? I keep going back and forth, because 1) There is no reason a gay couple they should be denied legal benefits. 2) I do believe marriage is is a bonding between man and woman.


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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2008, 10:44:30 AM »
although we don't all agree on the "sin" question (my thought is that HATE is the biggest sin) I am happy to see that most of you see this as a civil rights issue and will vote NO on Prop 8...this just confirms that Xterra owners are pretty smart and not easily conned!
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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2008, 11:41:33 AM »
although we don't all agree on the "sin" question (my thought is that HATE is the biggest sin) I am happy to see that most of you see this as a civil rights issue and will vote NO on Prop 8...this just confirms that Xterra owners are pretty smart and not easily conned!
I believe all sin is equal.

Still, if prop 8 is passed, then what? How does that effect Gay couples? What benefits would they loose? I mean if it's just a title, then I could care less.

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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2008, 10:24:09 PM »
if 8 passes some (but not all) people will not be allowed to marry the person they love but will be limited to marrying only those people that are "acceptable" to the proponents of Prop 8... gay couples married between June and the effective date of Prop 8 would still be married but the rest would have to again settle for domestic partnership (the next target for the Haters)... now you are correct that the legal rights of married couples (straight) are the same as domestic partners (straight and gay) but that is like the "separate but equal" argument that justified racial discrimination well into the 1970's... I realize that most of you are too young to have lived in a world where racial and religious discrimination was a matter of law but when I was young it was illegal in many states for blacks to marry whites and even for Jews to marry Christians... this is the same kind of thing... a marriage is a contract just like a domestic partnership but it is also an emotional commitment that just isn't the same!
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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 04:45:37 PM »
The government will do whatever it wants to do on the matter - no matter what us peons vote - one way or the other. Fundamental rights are removed and changed at the stroke of a pen. This one will be too. The Constitutions, both state and federal, aren't worth the paper they're printed on. The republic is long dead.    :-\
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Re: What are you voting on 8?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 06:11:10 PM »
if 8 passes some (but not all) people will not be allowed to marry the person they love but will be limited to marrying only those people that are "acceptable" to the proponents of Prop 8... gay couples married between June and the effective date of Prop 8 would still be married but the rest would have to again settle for domestic partnership (the next target for the Haters)... now you are correct that the legal rights of married couples (straight) are the same as domestic partners (straight and gay) but that is like the "separate but equal" argument that justified racial discrimination well into the 1970's... I realize that most of you are too young to have lived in a world where racial and religious discrimination was a matter of law but when I was young it was illegal in many states for blacks to marry whites and even for Jews to marry Christians... this is the same kind of thing... a marriage is a contract just like a domestic partnership but it is also an emotional commitment that just isn't the same!
First, I'll tell you I'm not a particularly religious man at this point in my life, although I was brought up to be. Because of my earlier exposure I have a respect or tolerance for it. And, as an American I certainly respect their right to worship as they see fit.
"Marriage" began and has existed as a religious act. I don't care where in the world you travel, this is an unavoidable fact. Most of the worlds religions view it as " a union ceremony witnessed and approved of by and before God".
A "Civil Union" defined as having equal rights under the state would be "a union ceremony witnessed and approved of by the majority citizenry of a state". And, I believe our constitution could provide all necessary protections to both unions. But, this does not appear to be enough and the Gay community has sought for full religious recognition and the assumption of the religious term "marriage". Religions view this as the joining of a man and woman in order to mate, procreate and form family. Gay couples cannot mate and naturally cannot create family. In this regard they are not equal. It's not at fundamental level "a hate thing" with most religions. However, it is a direct affront to their beliefs. And, they have every right to believe and worship as they so please.
As constitutionally prescribed, we should continue to keep church and state as separate. Marriage= religious union....Civil Union= just that, both having equal rights under only the laws of the state. But, only one having rights under the doctrines of differing religions, and our government should have no right in helping the Gay community force a redefinition of any churches beliefs. For them to seek state assistance in the form of laws that would force religions to acknowledge them as "married" would be entirely wrong.
This is all about the definition of the word "Marriage", and again, I'm not a very religious guy but I would hate to see this religious institution be become diluted in our society.
If the gay community were to have the right to sue and seek remedy because a church refused to wed them, the church would be losing its own rights under the constitution.
I'm voting yes on 8 to maintain the religiously held traditional definition of "marriage" and the American tradition of separating church and state.
If the gay community wants to seek equal rights under a different definition of union (because it is such) they would get my vote as well.
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