Southern California Club Xterra
Southern California Club Xterra => SCCX Xcursions => Topic started by: fiercextreme on April 25, 2017, 04:58:26 PM
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Looking for drivers for easy-moderate Rattlesnake Canyon trail May 13-14 with only restrictions being that you are wheeling in a 4x4 w decent ground clearance. Its May 13-14 and its the alternate group heading to Big Bear. That evening we will all meet up at a yellow camping post with Celts group, have a fire and camp out. He is leading the John Bull run, but with having restrictions on rigs most cannot do that trail. With less restrictions i'm hoping to get a decent amount of trucks. Sunday is Mothers Day, but I'm sure if need be u can make the great escape early morning! So far looks like we have 2 rigs. Sign up fast before its too late!
Garett
Rattlesnake Canyon Rd to Big Bear trip; May 13-14, so camping saturday night. More than likely we will all dissipate at our own leisure sunday morning since its Mothers Day. Bring a map so u can find ur way around in Big Bear! You may also find someone who will be sticking around for some more wheeling sunday so if thats ur choice then u can ask around to see what everyones doing.
List if attendees so far:
1. fiercextreme
2. occupantx
3. valentin36
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I love Rattlesnake Canyon, but I'll have to pass. Spending the weekend off-roading is definitely more of a Father's Day thing than it is a Mother's Day thing in my household. Have fun out there guys!
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Thank you for posting, I'm in. BTW, Rattlesnake and 2N02 can be done in 2WD with careful spotting and little momentum here and there. We've been through there with a guy in a 2Runner (2WD 4Runner ;) ) in April last year, but all the rain this last season may have changed that.
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I'm contemplating as I'd be returning from a small vacation and playing with my X and modifying what I can. I'd like to join what's the details.
If so, where's you starting at? Meeting up or driving up together? Time wise? Overnight or just fun day trip?
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Starting the trail from the backside of Big Bear near Landers down in the desert at Old Woman Springs Rd. and gradually work our way up to the different elevations eventually reaching Big Bear where we will meet the second half of the group at a yellow post campsite. To Be Determined! We will be driving 5-6 hrs depending on how long up Rattlesnake Cyn trail then to Burns Cyn trail aka 2N02 up into Big Bear. My trail guide shows 2 hours for each trail plus a few more easy dirt roads to find our campsite. We will meet at closest gas station here to fill up.
Meeting Place:
Valero Gas Station
32625-32629 CA-18
Lucerne Valley, CA 92356
34.443737, -116.950876
Meeting time:
9:30am
Trail begins here:
Rattlesnake Canyon Rd
Landers, CA 92285
34.369805, -116.650834
Comms:
CB: channel 15
Vital components to bring:
Extra fuel
Extra water
Extra food
Good spare tire
Tire patch kit
Tools
Map and or GPS
Air down and air up components
Plus everuyone bring one bundle of firewood!
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If you guys don't have a HAM I would suggest coming up with a 1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd choice for YP or it may be difficult to find each other without driving all over creation. I plan on getting on Gold Mtn by 0900 and with any luck be off the JB by 1500, earlier if possible. The biggest issue can be the gate keeper as vehicles tend to really stack up there but being Mother's Day weekend it's either going to be free and clear or swamped. Some of the good locations are YP #2,3,4,6,7,33 and #34 as they are in the NW part of Fawnskin and the area where we should come off the trails from.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Vhixi7VMpOUq2JHhzgPA9Hb8sOY&hl=en_US&ll=34.23254568474477%2C-116.89768453401746&z=11
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After picking up my the newly acquired front bumper, I will be adding my roof rack and adding my cb so put me down as a possible. Need to make sure the girl wants to join unless she's going home.
Question is it needed to air down? I'm asking cause I got no way to fill back up. Slowly building the rig.
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After picking up my the newly acquired front bumper, I will be adding my roof rack and adding my cb so put me down as a possible. Need to make sure the girl wants to join unless she's going home.
Question is it needed to air down? I'm asking cause I got no way to fill back up. Slowly building the rig.
You can air up at any gas station in Big Bear.
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So I'm guessing we wouldn't be airing down that bad then. Sounds good. So is it do the trail and call it a day or a over nighter
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So I'm guessing we wouldn't be airing down that bad then. Sounds good. So is it do the trail and call it a day or a over nighter
Be warned, last July I went on my first sccx trip on 2n02. I'm a noob and didn't have an air compressor or deflators so I didn't air down when everyone else did. Guess what.. I was the one guy who flatted. 40psi doesn't allow the tire the flex it needs to conform to those sharp rocks so instead the rock penetrates them. Everyone was super cool and had my rig up in the air swapping out the flat for my spare before I was even out of the truck, but man that was a learning experience for sure. Air down to 20 psi or so and air back up ASAP and you should be good to go. Good luck and have fun!
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Sounds good
Just hoping it's close enough to make it to a gas station or someone willing to lend a hand to air back up no compressor in the car and I haven't invested in one since I want to add a built in one to the rig.
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Sounds good
Just hoping it's close enough to make it to a gas station or someone willing to lend a hand to air back up no compressor in the car and I haven't invested in one since I want to add a built in one to the rig.
https://www.amazon.com/Viair-00088-88P-Portable-Compressor/dp/B005ASY23I
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If you guys don't have a HAM I would suggest coming up with a 1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd choice for YP or it may be difficult to find each other without driving all over creation. I plan on getting on Gold Mtn by 0900 and with any luck be off the JB by 1500, earlier if possible. The biggest issue can be the gate keeper as vehicles tend to really stack up there but being Mother's Day weekend it's either going to be free and clear or swamped. Some of the good locations are YP #2,3,4,6,7,33 and #34 as they are in the NW part of Fawnskin and the area where we should come off the trails from.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Vhixi7VMpOUq2JHhzgPA9Hb8sOY&hl=en_US&ll=34.23254568474477%2C-116.89768453401746&z=11
Yes I was getting to that. Glad u asked. So far it looks like we will hit YP31 first then we can follow this order. 31, 33, 5, 2 and 4. Now I wanted to ask u if having more than 2 trucks and 8 peeps will be an issue deeming that being the restriction at yellow post sites?
And for those wondering how I got that. This is the planned route: RC3331, 2N02, 3N16 & 2N09 to the first yellow campsite.
This is a good link to the yellow campsites: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Vhixi7VMpOUq2JHhzgPA9Hb8sOY&hl=en_US&ll=34.29093425567653%2C-116.90955708076478&z=15
This is my gps trail guide I will be using. If u download the GPX viewer app it should work: https://www.trailsoffroad.com/
Just make sure u download all the trails up around where we will be including the ones near the alternate yellow campsites cause I dont think we will have reception, but if u have the maps already it will work.
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The additional vehicles may present an issue. Might need to fend for our selves on the camping.
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So it's just follow the leader style, never done this trail how much extra fuel just 5gal?
With te while gps thing is that really needed since it's follow the leader style cause I just wana join for the trails and call it a day back south I go.
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If you guys don't have a HAM
I do HAM, Baofeng handheld but never figured out how to configure it to use repeaters. I'll try figure it out, any specific repeater you can suggest we try use that weekend?
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So it's just follow the leader style, never done this trail how much extra fuel just 5gal?
With te while gps thing is that really needed since it's follow the leader style cause I just wana join for the trails and call it a day back south I go.
Yes 5 gallon should be fine, but 10 would be better for an emergency! A map is all you really need, but a GPS pinpoints your position so u can see where your going on the map as your going. Are u camping out as well or if I read it correctly u want to head home after the trails? Honestly we will still be on the trails when we stop for camp. Also my guess is it could be late by that time since we will be meandering thru trails looking for Celts group. I wouldnt recommend trying to find your way out the maze alone at night unless you have a good map and a good sense of direction. Even with my mad wheelin skills (lol) I wouldnt trust myself going anywhere offroad alone unless I had no choice. I could be overly cautious, but thats just me. Id say you always need a buddy on the trails. The other option is after 2N02 section we will hit some main roads in Big Bear for a quick moment, if u want to cut out then u will have the option and it may still be early enough to do what u need to do before heading back.
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I'll contemplate now
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I do HAM, Baofeng handheld but never figured out how to configure it to use repeaters. I'll try figure it out, any specific repeater you can suggest we try use that weekend?
Big Bear Rx= 147.330 147.930 + 131.8
147.645 147.045 - 103.5
Snow Summit= 145.260 144.660 - 103.5 <---Works really good up there call this repeater first.
Lake Arrowhead= 145.240 144.640 -118.8
We will be on simplex (146.535) between vehicles but can start at the top of the hour checks from say about noon on if you like with the repeaters.
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No clue what that repeater lingo is? Break it down I will only have a cb
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No clue what that repeater lingo is? Break it down I will only have a cb
Without a 2M radio you wouldn't be able to hear or transmit on those frequencies. Basically what they are is different radio bands set aside on the 2M bandwidth that we transmit on. It goes through a repeater and the +/- with the corresponding number is a pulse tone to open up the repeater allowing them to work to retransmit what you are saying much farther than on simplex which is line of sight. With a repeater as long as your antenna can see the radio transmissions you can hear what being said and transmit which is what makes them so nice. A CB is purely line of sight with a low power band so they can obviously be problematic at times. Look at it similar to frequency hopping using a MBTTR to a very small extent as an example.
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If I go I'll just follow whoever is in front of me with the window down haha easy fix
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I just got off the horn with Ranger Greg. He recommended anything on the south shore of the lake. He was of the opinion that the N. side might be a lot more crowded and was of the opinion the S. side is a much better choice. Change 32, after the run head south.
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10-4. We will head south after 2N02. Let me know of some potential spots and we will hit them barring any Black Diamond runs, lol!
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http://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?topic=1442.0 This is some good info.
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Without a 2M radio you wouldn't be able to hear or transmit on those frequencies. Basically what they are is different radio bands set aside on the 2M bandwidth that we transmit on. It goes through a repeater and the +/- with the corresponding number is a pulse tone to open up the repeater allowing them to work to retransmit what you are saying much farther than on simplex which is line of sight. With a repeater as long as your antenna can see the radio transmissions you can hear what being said and transmit which is what makes them so nice. A CB is purely line of sight with a low power band so they can obviously be problematic at times. Look at it similar to frequency hopping using a MBTTR to a very small extent as an example.
Minor thread jack here...but I wanted to springboard onto Celt's comments about ham radios, repeaters, and 2 meter transmitting.
Firstly...buy a Baofeng inexpensive 2 meter HT (ham lingo for "handy-talkie", aka hand held radio) so you can monitor trail comms and stay in the loop on SCCX runs. Believe me, the radio chatter within the first 100 yards of the recent Bradshaw Trail Xcursion was worth the trip alone! If you live in San Diego, visit Ham Radio Outlet to check out some of the inexpensive 2 meter options, or shop the Shame-a-zone for Baofengs here:
BaoFeng UV-5R HT Dual Band (https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio-Black/dp/B007H4VT7A/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493831263&sr=1-3&keywords=baofeng+uv-5r)
For 25 dollars you get a great radio, and easy loop in to trail comms. When you get time, study for your ham license (easier than a driving test, and could save your life some day....35 questions, 70 percent is passing, need I say more??) and then you unlock the keys to the cool kids club.
Secondly...repeaters are unique to amatuer radio, wherein they essentially boost you transmitted signal from a high point (usually a mountain top) and then re-broadcast over a specific area of coverage. This process doubles or sometimes triples your transmission capabilities in distance...take that Children's Band!!! ;)
I know CB is the easy option, but for the same price you would pay (actually less) for a full CB set up, you get crystal clear trail comms and a peek into the window of amateur radio. PLUS...when you get your license, you get a really cool federally issued call sign.
As you can tell, I am a strongly supportive advocate for ham/amateur radio licensing, and the hobby in general (pun intended, you'll get it when you check out the different classes of licensing :D :D :D)
So consider this option, becuase you won't regret it.
We have 40+ hams in this "not a club/club," which started out with less than a half dozen.
Have fun, please feel free to PM me any questions you have, as I'm happy to help!!
John/Ghost65
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Minor thread jack here...but I wanted to springboard onto Celt's comments about ham radios, repeaters, and 2 meter transmitting.
Firstly...buy a Baofeng inexpensive 2 meter HT (ham lingo for "handy-talkie", aka hand held radio) so you can monitor trail comms and stay in the loop on SCCX runs. Believe me, the radio chatter within the first 100 yards of the recent Bradshaw Trail Xcursion was worth the trip alone! If you live in San Diego, visit Ham Radio Outlet to check out some of the inexpensive 2 meter options, or shop the Shame-a-zone for Baofengs here:
BaoFeng UV-5R HT Dual Band (https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio-Black/dp/B007H4VT7A/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493831263&sr=1-3&keywords=baofeng+uv-5r)
For 25 dollars you get a great radio, and easy loop in to trail comms. When you get time, study for your ham license (easier than a driving test, and could save your life some day....35 questions, 70 percent is passing, need I say more??) and then you unlock the keys to the cool kids club.
Secondly...repeaters are unique to amatuer radio, wherein they essentially boost you transmitted signal from a high point (usually a mountain top) and then re-broadcast over a specific area of coverage. This process doubles or sometimes triples your transmission capabilities in distance...take that Children's Band!!! ;)
I know CB is the easy option, but for the same price you would pay (actually less) for a full CB set up, you get crystal clear trail comms and a peek into the window of amateur radio. PLUS...when you get your license, you get a really cool federally issued call sign.
As you can tell, I am a strongly supportive advocate for ham/amateur radio licensing, and the hobby in general (pun intended, you'll get it when you check out the different classes of licensing :D :D :D)
So consider this option, becuase you won't regret it.
We have 40+ hams in this "not a club/club," which started out with less than a half dozen.
Have fun, please feel free to PM me any questions you have, as I'm happy to help!!
John/Ghost65
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Thread jack away Sir!
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As self appointed Supreme BOD, I approve the above Thread Jack O0
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Minor thread jack here...
...Believe me, the radio chatter within the first 100 yards of the recent Bradshaw Trail Xcursion was worth the trip alone!...
Please stop tainting this thread with your threadjack lol lol lol
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If we cannot find a YP, we could always try Tip Top Mountain. Easily fit 6 to 8 vehicles. My 2Runner buddy made it up there, I did have to pull him through one rutted area where he got stuck, but I think he took the wrong line and should have made it.
Pics from previous SCCX trip:
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Tip Top mountain is off 2N02 : https://goo.gl/maps/13fS2WyjQu32 (https://goo.gl/maps/13fS2WyjQu32)
I don't know if fires are allowed
Another option is the Juniper Springs Group campground : https://goo.gl/maps/GvGZJBiooxE2 (https://goo.gl/maps/GvGZJBiooxE2)
This is also close to 2N02, allows 8 vehicles and 40 persons, have fire-ring and vault toilet.
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I think either of those would be really good.
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I think either of those would be really good.
So i'm assuming your relinquishing the idea of a group camp, in which case it may well be better suited to each groups interests?
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So i'm assuming your relinquishing the idea of a group camp, in which case it may well be better suited to each groups interests?
Those two campsites that OccupantX put the link to are group camp sites and should be well suited for all of us in a group site. The YP max occupancy is two vehicles.
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Sry my bad I was under the impression it was too far out of route for ur group. I'd be ok with Juniper Springs group campground. Doesn't look so bad of a ride out early morning to hwy 38 since i'll be checking out then.
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Something came up. I'm out for this trip! If someone wants to step up and keep it going, by all means go for it! If you guys would rather reschedule for another date thats ok too! Pm me the date u wanna try this if that suits u better as well.
Cheers,
Garett!
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I'm still running Gold Mountain/John Bull and planning on camping over night up there for anyone interested.
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Something came up. I'm out for this trip! If someone wants to step up and keep it going, by all means go for it! If you guys would rather reschedule for another date thats ok too! Pm me the date u wanna try this if that suits u better as well.
Cheers,
Garett!
Bummer.
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Plans are now evolving and we are talking about going up on Friday evening and camping to Sunday. If others want they can just run different trails.
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Something came up. I'm out for this trip! If someone wants to step up and keep it going, by all means go for it! If you guys would rather reschedule for another date thats ok too! Pm me the date u wanna try this if that suits u better as well.
Cheers,
Garett!
No worries, live happens
We can do this another time if there's more interest and and better time that suits more people's schedule...like father's day, no wife can veto a guy's plan on father's day. Unless you have no kids...
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If not enough interest here maybe we should let it slide for now and combine with future AAT trip : http://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?topic=4317.0 (http://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?topic=4317.0)
No hunting for campsite with enough space for all vehicles, and we'll get to log plenty of hours.
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If not enough interest here maybe we should let it slide for now and combine with future AAT trip : http://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?topic=4317.0 (http://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?topic=4317.0)
No hunting for campsite with enough space for all vehicles, and we'll get to log plenty of hours.
I think some can't go because of mother's day or maybe they are just otherwise busy. Were still headed up on Friday evening and will come home Sunday. I think we will probably shoot for those campsites you suggested as they are on the way into Big Bear from the 38 with tons of room.
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Small chance we will day trip and do something not JohnBull.
The wife wont enjoy that. RS canyon might work.
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Small chance we will day trip and do something not JohnBull.
The wife wont enjoy that. RS canyon might work.
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That's great my whole family would love to see you guys! If you are interested in Gold Mountain we will be at the trailhead at 0900 airing down Saturday morning. On Friday night were shooting for here: https://goo.gl/maps/GvGZJBiooxE2 Saturday night is still up in the air depending upon what time we get off the trail but I'd like to return to the same place. We were thinking about going into town for Mother's day breakfast for Mrs. Celt.
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Going from the assumption then this Rattlesnake trip is not happening, but Gold Mountain/John Bull is?
Now I can sleep in, warm and cozy 'cause it looks like Big Bear will be cold (low 32, high 60 predicted)
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Yeah sorry fellas,
My kids team made the playoffs and shifted everything around for us.
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Yeah sorry fellas,
My kids team made the playoffs and shifted everything around for us.
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Congratulations! Did they win?
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They lost.
Matt did hit a double to tie the game but we ended up losing it the next inning. The season is over but my boy had a strong season behind home plate.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170515/ec6b860a46bc9f22fe0b7a501724e0a8.jpg)
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Give him a big High Five from me please!
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Give him a big High Five from me please!
Will do Erik,
Thanks!
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Is does my heart good to see that photo. I've forgotten how good kids look playing baseball, instead of texting. That's a picture of America I haven't seen in a long time. Congrats and thanks Danny.
And yes, I need to get out more ;)