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Title: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 14, 2016, 08:57:47 AM
Someone said "Set a date!"

So I did. 

What:  Family friendly camping, mountain biking, hiking, socializing, hanging out, cooking, exploring, geocaching...stuff you do outdoors, etc. etc. etc.

Where:  Mt. Laguna Campground, off of Sunrise Highway in San Diego.

When:  Friday, August 5th, through Sunday, August 7th

Book your reservations at this link:

Mt. Laguna/Reservation.gov Site (http://www.recreation.gov/camping/laguna/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70576)

Please post here or PM me with your site number so I can update things and stay semi-organized.

As of 6/14/2016 there are five reservable campsites available in the Meadow Loop of the CG. 

Sites 007, 009, 016, 019, 021

The Shady Loop (close by) has even more.  These are all withing good walking proximity of each other if we get a big response, but with 2 vehicles and 8 peeps per site, if this works out, the Meadow Loop would accommodate 12 vehicles and 48 people...per the guidelines below.

The cost is $23.00 per night, and the details are:

Site Type: STANDARD NONELECTRIC
Site Reserve Type: Site-Specific
Checkin Time: 2:00 pm
Checkout Time: 1:00 pm
Type of Use: Overnight
Min Num of People: 1
Max Num of People: 8
Max Num of Vehicles: 2
Driveway Surface: Gravel
Driveway Entry: Back-In
Max Vehicle Length: 35
Shade: Partial
Capacity/Size Rating: Single
Fire Pit: Y


Sharing sites is a good way to save a little $$$

This is a nice CG, with water bibs scattered throughout the CG, pit toilets in the Meadow Loop, but showers and flush toilets available within walking distance if you want cush for your tush.  And the showers are nice, $1.50 for 6 minutes of sunscreen cleansing joy...and are clean.

Each site has its own fire ring, a drive in spot for two rigs (knightrider and I have shared a site here, there is plenty of room), and most spots are shaded by trees.  All campsites are within walking/riding distance to the singletrack...Big Laguna Trail, Penny Pines, sections of The Pacific Crest Trail, Noble Canyon...the list goes on.  The trails here are...awesome.  Not really any wheeling to be had near the CG...but this trip isn't so much about that.  It's more about getting outdoors together and hanging out and camping...

There is a local store in Mt. Laguna, about 2 miles south of the CG for e-supplies, and the town of Julian is a 20 minute drive north if you need more pie for your hole...but winners stop on the way in to grab a Dutch Apple @ Julian Pie Co. to gnosh by the fire.

Speaking of fires...firewood is available from the camp host as well.  Or you can stop in Ramona and pay less there.  Either way, firewood is a non issue.

Hopefully this covers most of the Q's...but post up or PM me if you need more info.

Look forward to seeing everyone who can make it!  :) :) :)

John/Ghost65



Title: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 14, 2016, 08:58:15 AM
Who's in:

knightrider/Ghost65 - site 020
jayrat +2 - site 021
xxSVxx - site 019 (out, due to injury)
Steve C. - with FBnSD
Hennie - site 016
FBinSD - site 009
Toro - site 007
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 14, 2016, 08:58:38 AM
Here's a few pics of "what it's like" up there...

Meadow Loop site 013
(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae195/DzrtX/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/IMG_4640.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/DzrtX/media/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/IMG_4640.jpg.html)

Big Laguna Trail
(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae195/DzrtX/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/IMG_4665.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/DzrtX/media/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/IMG_4665.jpg.html)

More BLT
(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae195/DzrtX/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/IMG_3914.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/DzrtX/media/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/IMG_3914.jpg.html)

Oh yeah...night time is the right time
(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae195/DzrtX/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/Laguna%20marshmallows.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/DzrtX/media/2015%20Laguna%20Camping/Laguna%20marshmallows.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 14, 2016, 08:58:56 AM
Reserved 3
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on June 14, 2016, 09:12:29 AM
me and the Fam are in
Jayrat+2
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 14, 2016, 09:21:38 AM
me and the Fam are in
Jayrat+2

PM replied with link Jay.  :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on June 14, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
I'm in

Site #19 booked.

I'll poke around for some day hikes or something in the like....

Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 14, 2016, 09:37:00 AM
I'm in

I'll poke around for some day hikes or something in the like....

Cool.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: EJsarus on June 14, 2016, 12:49:29 PM
looks tempting,
as of right now only 007,009 & 016 are available...
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on June 14, 2016, 03:08:01 PM
What kind of trails are around?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on June 14, 2016, 03:27:22 PM
What kind of trails are around?

The kind that make a man go 'HOLY OMG WTF WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THAT WAS BADDDDD ASSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!'

(i think)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on June 14, 2016, 05:36:53 PM
Yea what Christiaan said.  There is everything from mild to wild. 

Noble canyon is probably the most wild well known trail out there but there is a ton of single track and normally not too many hikers and horses.

Sent from my RTT while stargazing

Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: EJsarus on June 14, 2016, 06:53:40 PM
mostly for all mountain bikes or is there some DH sections?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on June 14, 2016, 08:14:48 PM
It's all mountain. Some people will take their DH bikes to ride down noble and shuttle back up but there is a loop you can ride as well

Sent from my RTT while stargazing

Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 15, 2016, 09:08:01 AM
looks tempting,
as of right now only 007,009 & 016 are available...

There's also another loop...Shady...with availablity.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 15, 2016, 09:11:31 AM
What kind of trails are around?

The Los Gatos Trail downhill section is pretty damn fun...nothing too ledgy, but a few log obstacles and super swoopy bermed out downhill sections. 

I see you like lifts...none of that here.  ;)  We pedaled up hill on nice single/double track for a good 45/60 minutes to get (#because50) the top...not too bad.

Jordan, Daphne and I hit it last time up there, and it was a blast.  Mild to wild...like Jordan said...it's all about the arm pump.  ;)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: EJsarus on June 15, 2016, 09:18:51 AM
There's also another loop...Shady...with availablity.
tur but trying to be together with the group. :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 15, 2016, 09:21:29 AM
tur but trying to be together with the group. :)

Cool.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: RBduffer on June 15, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
Ohhh mannnn, I wanna go, but my brother is flying in Saturday night.  Maybe a day trip?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on June 15, 2016, 02:24:07 PM
I'm in.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: FBinSD on June 15, 2016, 04:29:09 PM
I'll probably join also.  I'll see what sites I can find.

Booked 16
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on June 15, 2016, 08:16:50 PM
Shaping up to be a good Shin dig
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: occupantX on June 15, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
Thanks for organizing, you da man :)

Site 009 booked!
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 16, 2016, 12:14:43 PM
Thanks for organizing, you da man :)

Site 009 booked!


Went night riding with...knightrider...last night and the PQ Crew...pretty damn fun and a quick pace for 15 swoopy and lit miles.  You will like Laguna Hennie, not sure if you've been there before.  Lots of cool trails.

Shaping up to be a good Shin dig

Yes sir...closer to the date, we will need to put together some kind of cook plan.   ;) ;)

My lovely wife/Santa hooked me up with a Dutch Oven and I've been itching to burn it with something. 

Hope to have a few practice runs before this trip.

I'm in.

Awesome Steve...see you soon!  :) :)

I'll probably join also.  I'll see what sites I can find.

Booked 16


Cool Frank, been a while.  Didn't realize you MTB...this will be a nice camp/ride weekend.  :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on June 16, 2016, 03:47:49 PM
I need this to make my MTB go. 

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/IyLTo6.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmIyLTo6p)

BTW, I haven't been on an MTB in a while - I may be slow..
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: JFanaselle on June 16, 2016, 04:26:16 PM
That doesn't look cheap. Or easy to install.  :o
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on June 16, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
Can you get me one too?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on June 16, 2016, 11:15:58 PM
I need this to make my MTB go. 

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/IyLTo6.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmIyLTo6p)

BTW, I haven't been on an MTB in a while - I may be slow..
Hipster
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on June 16, 2016, 11:24:18 PM
The original wheelie bike
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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on June 17, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
That doesn't look cheap. Or easy to install.  :o

That's why I've been off the bike for so long :D   
But, I have good friends with wrenches!

Can you get me one too?

lol. 
Chainreaction has them for the cheap.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 17, 2016, 09:26:36 AM
The original wheelie bike
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Word.

My first GF...

(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae195/DzrtX/Funny%20Photos/schwinn%20stingray%205.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/DzrtX/media/Funny%20Photos/schwinn%20stingray%205.jpg.html)

Total retro, "banana" seat, OG Schwinn stick shifter, and my custom installed suicide king Bicycle playing card/clothespin set up for that "throttle realistic" exhaust sound...#summer1972

 :)

I need this to make my MTB go. 

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/IyLTo6.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmIyLTo6p)

BTW, I haven't been on an MTB in a while - I may be slow..

That's a nice set up for sure...and don't worry about slow. 

This is a relaxed weekend, with lots of stops for views and brews around the campfire.


That's why I've been off the bike for so long :D   
But, I have good friends with wrenches!

lol. 
Chainreaction has them for the cheap.

Wow...like $299 cheap.  Then $25 for cables...$100 to find a shop to install "internet" parts + a six pack of Stone IPA.  ;)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on June 17, 2016, 09:35:47 AM
That's a nice set up for sure...and don't worry about slow. 

This is a relaxed weekend, with lots of stops for views and brews around the campfire.

Just to elaborate....there will be at least 2 of us (me and JayRat) doing a day hike or two during the day Saturday.....so, if you don't own a bike, don't let that prevent you from coming...should be a great time outside!!!!
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 17, 2016, 09:41:33 AM
Just to elaborate....there will be at least 2 of us (me and JayRat) doing a day hike or two during the day Saturday.....so, it you don't own a bike, don't let that prevent you from coming...should be a great time outside!!!!

Good call Christiaan...and we can do something Sunday too, check out is 11am and there is plenty of time before/after official bug out to grab a trail etc.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on June 17, 2016, 09:52:25 AM
and we can do something Sunday too

Yeah.....like, eat bacon.  Sleep in.  Sleep in with bacon.  Chill.  Relax.  Sip coffee....
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: FrankB on June 17, 2016, 09:55:13 AM
Word.

My first GF...

(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae195/DzrtX/Funny%20Photos/schwinn%20stingray%205.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/DzrtX/media/Funny%20Photos/schwinn%20stingray%205.jpg.html)

Total retro, "banana" seat, OG Schwinn stick shifter, and my custom installed suicide king Bicycle playing card/clothespin set up for that "throttle realistic" exhaust sound...#summer1972

 

I had a couple of Schwinn Sting Rays.  First one was a red single-speed.  Totaled it on the front of a slowly moving late-50's era sedan in about 1968-69.  Second one was a green three-speed, with banana seat, stick shift, and a wide slick for the rear tire. 
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: JFanaselle on June 17, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
Yeah.....like, eat bacon.  Sleep in.  Sleep in with bacon.  Chill.  Relax.  Sip coffee....

But... what about more bacon? I'm concerned that you guys might not have enough bacon on this trip...  :-\

(http://www.rantfood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bacon-burger.png)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on June 17, 2016, 10:21:27 AM
But... what about more bacon? I'm concerned that you guys might not have enough bacon on this trip...  :-\

(http://www.rantfood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bacon-burger.png)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm......meat sweats....
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on June 17, 2016, 10:32:23 AM
Word.
Wow...like $299 cheap.  Then $25 for cables ...$100 to find a shop to install "internet" parts + a six pack of Stone IPA.  ;)

6 pack may be required.

I have bike friends :D 
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: CAWoody on June 17, 2016, 02:45:07 PM
Hey I like this.  I bet it's Gluten Free too.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on June 18, 2016, 12:38:12 PM
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm......meat sweats....

I thought you were more of a sausage guy....


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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on June 20, 2016, 09:14:27 AM
I thought you were more of a sausage guy....


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I consider myself meatro-sexual
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on June 20, 2016, 04:20:22 PM
I thought you were more of a sausage guy....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 Abe Froehman the sausage king of Chicago?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Motorpig77 on June 29, 2016, 07:59:04 PM
I'm missing out on this one, the kids and I will still be on our road trip til about Saturday :(  You guys have a blast
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 07, 2016, 01:54:16 PM
Reviving this thread as its about 4 weeks out...everyone still in and committed to their camp?

Daphne and I spent July 4th doing a little trail recon and knocked out about 15 miles of loopy singletrack...it's gonna be good whether you decide to hoof it or tread it.  The weather was great and the loops were sparce with other humans...kinda nice.  :)

Also...on the topic of MTB riding...since this is a group ride (I'm thinking one big group ride on Saturday and spur rides on Friday/Sunday organized when we meet) we will ride as fast as the slowest rider.  The trails we will be tackling (mostly the Big Laguna Trail, but sections of Noble Canyon and a couple others) are novice with dashes of intermediate thrown in (a few rocky sections, some roots and off camber stuff) for good measure and growth. 

This is meant to be fun, so please don't worry about keeping up or slowing the group...stopping and admiring the scenery is the bonus here.  We will all have different bikes/fitness levels/experience to bring to the pedals, so lets keep it real on the group ride and you can zoom with smaller groups before/after Saturday.

I will say it again...the emphasis here is fun...and there is no such thing as a dumb question. 

Ask me here or PM me, and I'll gladly help/get back ASAP.  :) :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on July 07, 2016, 02:49:11 PM
Can't wait for it, the family and I  are looking forward to fresh air and good company
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 07, 2016, 02:50:50 PM
Can't wait for it, the family and I  are looking forward to fresh air and good company

Excellent!
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on July 07, 2016, 05:17:11 PM
I can't wait to play bikes with buddies!
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on July 07, 2016, 10:29:24 PM
And Hiking with Homies
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: occupantX on July 10, 2016, 10:28:12 AM
Still in, it's gonna be epic!
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on July 10, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Still in for this epic weekend.

Sent from my RTT while stargazing

Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on July 13, 2016, 11:46:54 AM
Jayrat - https://www.alltrails.com/us/california/mount-laguna
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: EJsarus on July 13, 2016, 01:45:30 PM
There is a good chance I could make it.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on July 13, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
Jayrat - https://www.alltrails.com/us/california/mount-laguna
Very Cool, I'll bring my book also
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 14, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
I also have a couple of new trail maps we grabbed from the visitors center that everyone can use for their two legged/two wheeled pursuits.

All of the trails are very well marked and traveled.


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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on July 21, 2016, 04:33:53 PM
something has come up and i have to bow out

spot #19 is available

i paid $55

lemme know if ur interested
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on July 21, 2016, 11:27:48 PM
Booo
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on July 22, 2016, 07:19:00 AM
That sucks >:(
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on July 22, 2016, 09:22:55 AM
yeah, i ruptured my achillies tendon playing kickball

i'm gonna be immobile for a bit  =/
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on July 22, 2016, 10:38:12 PM
yeah, i ruptured my achillies tendon playing kickball

i'm gonna be immobile for a bit  =/
You could always sit around and eat and drink (non-alcoholic) & be marry
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 23, 2016, 07:36:03 AM
You could always sit around and eat and drink (non-alcoholic) & be marry

True...I hear mountain air has healing properties.


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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Sage Bromax on July 23, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
You could always ... be marry
Sounds like something that happens to the new guy in prison! :o
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: xxSVxx on July 23, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
You could always sit around and eat and drink (non-alcoholic) & be marry

i just don't think hopping around on crutches at a campsite doesn't sound relaxing

sorry bud....bummed i gotta miss, but can't really pull it.....
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on July 23, 2016, 09:34:50 PM
i just don't think hopping around on crutches at a campsite doesn't sound relaxing

sorry bud....bummed i gotta miss, but can't really pull it.....
I was just using peer pressure , Hope you feel better, Buddy
 >:D                    BEER

Fixed it for ya ;)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on July 27, 2016, 11:00:15 PM
I'll most likely be there in site 7...I think it's 7.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on July 27, 2016, 11:27:20 PM
^^^^^
NICE
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 28, 2016, 06:53:44 AM
I'll most likely be there in site 7...I think it's 7.

Cool. Will be good to catch up.


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Title: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 29, 2016, 05:01:45 PM
**Weather update**

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160730/e31b3accecdd5b283c4565c682bf163c.png)
Title: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 30, 2016, 08:24:30 AM
**Group ride @ 10 am Saturday

**PBP's at campsite 020 Sunday morning 8-9am pre-departure (11am check out)...if you leave hungry, well...

This leaves ample "free time" to hike, relax, whatever...in the mountains during your time.

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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on July 30, 2016, 11:46:10 AM
What trail are you planning?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 30, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
What trail are you planning?

Big Laguna Trail...to Penny Pines trailhead, then loop back and head down to the Sunrise Highway trailhead, and loop back up to camp.

We have ridden this loop several times, and it is about 13-15 miles.  Beginner to intermediate skill levels...buff single-track to roots and rocks.

We will ride with pacing to the slowest rider...leaving no one in the dust.

This group ride is for fun...feel free to coordinate other rides during our time up there.

Los Gatos Ravine is a cool DH trail that intersects the lower Big Laguna for those that prefer drops and obstacles. (There are bypasses too)

I'll post up a map shot of the proposed route later...but I'm sure you can source the area on several websites before that as recon.


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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on July 31, 2016, 01:47:12 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/17b26ec29a7c5620317da8a020fd8626.jpg)

Dis da 1?
Title: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 31, 2016, 07:18:19 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/4c1d467839ba2e81d64eb537b15522f1.jpg)



Dis da 1?

Yes...just overlay with this expensive topo of the area that I acquired.

Or go to the MTB Project app and look for Big Laguna Trail...looks like this...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/a0f71b97bc1a6e287ff33468e16b25e4.png)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/ee123ba211d71e88de1f13d3ae387025.png)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/2dc7ab950bc45b36b78ecef61c3d2240.png)

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Title: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 31, 2016, 07:34:05 AM
More...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/cecdeb94f3321bccfb394a3d576096d8.png)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/f60618a37542b171154e58387a332051.png)

You get the idea...

Grab your flip phone and go visit MTB Project or fire up the Apple II and visit them on Al Gore's baby...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160731/b9162ebfe52bde270c076103424ab22a.jpg)



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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on July 31, 2016, 12:11:29 PM
Routes/maps loaded
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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on July 31, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on July 31, 2016, 02:50:40 PM
I'm excited. 
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Rusty2Dusty on July 31, 2016, 03:07:02 PM
Ill try to make it for one night, looks like good time.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on August 01, 2016, 02:09:56 PM
Danny, which bike are you bringing?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on August 01, 2016, 02:15:56 PM
I won't be able to attend this fun filled adventure but if anyone runs into issues up there give me a call as the vast majority of my family lives in that area.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: occupantX on August 01, 2016, 10:11:22 PM
I won't be able to attend this fun filled adventure but if anyone runs into issues up there give me a call as the vast majority of my family lives in that area.
Sooooo... I was doing some route planning and wanted to check out the Sunrise Highway offramp from the I8. Found this guy on streetview:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8125841,-116.5173055,3a,64.1y,49.37h,59.79t/am=t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF26DQLRsQSCsCBo860O-Og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8125841,-116.5173055,3a,64.1y,49.37h,59.79t/am=t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF26DQLRsQSCsCBo860O-Og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Your family?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on August 01, 2016, 10:28:12 PM
Sooooo... I was doing some route planning and wanted to check out the Sunrise Highway offramp from the I8. Found this guy on streetview:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8125841,-116.5173055,3a,64.1y,49.37h,59.79t/am=t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF26DQLRsQSCsCBo860O-Og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8125841,-116.5173055,3a,64.1y,49.37h,59.79t/am=t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF26DQLRsQSCsCBo860O-Og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Your family?

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/aqMooT.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/poaqMooTp)

Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on August 02, 2016, 05:39:40 AM
Danny, which bike are you bringing?
Not sure. Probably the Jykell....
...in case anyone wants to shuttle Noble Canyon on Friday....
    wink-wink
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 02, 2016, 11:00:17 AM
Ill try to make it for one night, looks like good time.

Please read the OP and let me know which campsite you'll be in and PM me a little info on yourself...name, will you be biking or hiking...thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on August 02, 2016, 11:02:37 AM
Sooooo... I was doing some route planning and wanted to check out the Sunrise Highway offramp from the I8. Found this guy on streetview:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8125841,-116.5173055,3a,64.1y,49.37h,59.79t/am=t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF26DQLRsQSCsCBo860O-Og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8125841,-116.5173055,3a,64.1y,49.37h,59.79t/am=t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF26DQLRsQSCsCBo860O-Og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Your family?

  There is always a Weisenheimer in the group...................
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 02, 2016, 11:03:23 AM
  There is always a Weisenheimer in the group...................

Takes one to know one...Mr. Not So Secret Golden Paint.  :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on August 02, 2016, 11:06:29 AM
Takes one to know one...Mr. Not So Secret Golden Paint.  :)

 I'm innocent ............................ (http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae354/Celt5494/IMG_23621_zps0ptj1r95.jpg)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 02, 2016, 11:08:22 AM
I'm innocent ............................ (http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae354/Celt5494/IMG_23621_zps0ptj1r95.jpg)

Yeah...and your claim of "I'm not tech savvy..." is wearing thin too.  :D :D
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 02, 2016, 11:09:17 AM
Ill try to make it for one night, looks like good time.

Rusty2Dusty...I sent you a PM.  LMK your plans... :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on August 03, 2016, 10:55:15 PM
What is everyone's food plan?  group thing or everyone planning to do their own thing?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on August 03, 2016, 11:21:41 PM
What is everyone's food plan?  group thing or everyone planning to do their own thing?
I was going to do a beef stew in the slow cooker for the family Saturday nite, but it would be my pleasure to take care of the group if interested
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 04, 2016, 08:55:07 AM
We will throw out the PBP/syrup thing for Sunday morning...if anyone wants to bring meats I'll have a hot griddle going.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 04, 2016, 09:00:51 AM
A couple of final notes...

- pit toilets are close to the campsites...bring a roll of your own if you don't enjoy USFS 2 ply

- the pits are convenient (flush toilets/showers are a 5 minute walk) but full of flying insects...I'm bringing a can of RAID for the can.

- ice is available at the Mt. Laguna Store about 3 miles south of the campground...they close around 5pm so plan accordingly.  They also have beer and camp supplies, but you will pay "mountain prices", like a $12 six pack of Corona, or the $17 can of white gas, ask me how I know.  ;) ;) :D :D

There are also supplies available in Julian and Ramona on the way in.  See if you can find my secret $3 a bundle of firewood/liquor store... ;)

- last gas is in Julian...if you need it.

That's about it...see you in the mountains!
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on August 04, 2016, 01:51:56 PM
Is this about where we're going?

32.888935, -116.450721

Map is clicky to launch google maps. 

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/N3fAox.png) (https://www.google.com/maps/place/32%C2%B053'20.3%22N+116%C2%B027'02.3%22W/@32.888984,-116.4511815,240m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d32.888984!4d-116.450633?hl=en)

Being as I've never been here before and I worry about things, can someone keep the ham on to 146.535 and listen for my cries for help?
I should be arriving between 2:30 and 3:30pm. 
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on August 04, 2016, 02:03:03 PM
I should be arriving around the same time .
I will have my Ham on
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: RBduffer on August 04, 2016, 04:30:00 PM
Perfect!  You guys can talk to each other while you're lost :D

Maaaaannn, there's no way I can even stop by.  I got way to much goin on this weekend :'(
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on August 04, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
Is this about where we're going?

32.888935, -116.450721

Map is clicky to launch google maps. 

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/N3fAox.png) (https://www.google.com/maps/place/32%C2%B053'20.3%22N+116%C2%B027'02.3%22W/@32.888984,-116.4511815,240m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d32.888984!4d-116.450633?hl=en)

Being as I've never been here before and I worry about things, can someone keep the ham on to 146.535 and listen for my cries for help?
I should be arriving between 2:30 and 3:30pm. 

 Steve, if you guys program in 147.150 + 102.2 you will get coverage from all over that mountain to include San Diego and well into the desert. Might be a good thing to know.....
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 04, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
Is this about where we're going?

32.888935, -116.450721

Map is clicky to launch google maps. 

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/N3fAox.png) (https://www.google.com/maps/place/32%C2%B053'20.3%22N+116%C2%B027'02.3%22W/@32.888984,-116.4511815,240m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d32.888984!4d-116.450633?hl=en)

Being as I've never been here before and I worry about things, can someone keep the ham on to 146.535 and listen for my cries for help?
I should be arriving between 2:30 and 3:30pm.

Steve...that's it. Very easy to find. If you hit the Mexico border...turn around.

See you tomorrow.


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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on August 04, 2016, 06:48:18 PM
Or if he hears Banjos and hears "Boy you ain't from r'ound here is you" he might wanna turn around..               :)
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on August 04, 2016, 07:06:17 PM
Or if he hears Banjos and hears "Boy you ain't from r'ound here is you" he might wanna turn around..               :)
You've entered Eric's family Property :)

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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on August 04, 2016, 07:33:59 PM
You've entered Eric's family Property :)

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That's exactly what I was tryin to warn him about...............
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on August 04, 2016, 08:42:07 PM
That's exactly what I was tryin to warn him about...............
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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on August 04, 2016, 09:36:04 PM
What's for Dinner Sat night?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on August 05, 2016, 08:34:01 AM
What's for Dinner Sat night?

Whatcha makin' us? :D 
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on August 05, 2016, 09:27:50 AM
I'll grill some dogs for everyone if someone takes the fixings.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: steve c on August 05, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
My bike wants to go camping now!
I've got it cooped up here in this office, but it's only a half day today!

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/EG1pgO.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/poEG1pgOp)

 O0
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 05, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
Steve...

Stop and turn right when you see this...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/cda0b5185ed14ee8fa2daa7e7fc47afb.jpg)

Right again...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/a2c39fe0a81b55eba2d866604e54b4e5.jpg)

Don't stop here...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/253ffdafa24ecbb441e8c96977cf5c1e.jpg)

Keep going...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/9dc74a5d7b71cc3a3b89d1ab7d76e83c.jpg)

Okay...STOP here...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/e45a2e78feb98627556bcabee2baf36d.jpg)

Now relax and unpack.


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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on August 05, 2016, 02:44:40 PM
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Heading out..
3hrs + Vegas traffic+ a pit stop here...(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/b9b152917b54aa5ec5e953d9afe1cd4b.jpg)
I might be there by night fall
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Sage Bromax on August 06, 2016, 09:34:38 AM
Just an FYI: the annual Perseid meteor showers have started and are supposed to be especially good this year.  Tonight should be pretty good, as there won't be much moon.  It peaks later in the week, but so does the moon.  Best viewing will be in the eastern sky, after 11 p.m.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Celt on August 06, 2016, 10:33:10 AM
Just an FYI: the annual Perseid meteor showers have started and are supposed to be especially good this year.  Tonight should be pretty good, as there won't be much moon.  It peaks later in the week, but so does the moon.  Best viewing will be in the eastern sky, after 11 p.m.

 Too bad it's hotter than the hinges of hell in the desert. It would be a good time to get down into those washes for a couple nights. I'm sure they will get a great view from there in Laguna as much of the city lighting will be blocked by the western portion of the mountains and the marine layer.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Ghost65 on August 06, 2016, 06:01:14 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160807/6aa26768c619687daf6b0aa9295d4108.jpg)

Group ride photo...thanks Jayrat!

Had a great time camping and riding with friends. It was great to see some familiar faces and relax at the Laguna CG.

Sorry we had to pull up stakes early, Daphne's resting and hopefully feeling better soon. Thanks for all the help breaking camp and for all the kind wishes. Sucks to be sick in camp.

Hope we can all do this again sooner than later.


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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: EJsarus on August 06, 2016, 06:05:16 PM
Jordan has a Kona? WUUUTT??   Curious what kona he has...
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on August 07, 2016, 02:24:52 PM
2011 Kona Cadabra

Had alot of fun riding with new people and getting lost in Laguna :D
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on August 07, 2016, 05:51:27 PM
Legs are still sore...yeah, I'm a wuss.
   Thanks Ghost for setting this up. We were bummed Daphne wasn't feeling well but getting her home was the right thing to do. I was also able to pillage your portion of Sat night dinner ;)
   Hope she's feeling better.
   Hennie, your team was 5 star all the way. Easily the nicest people I've ever met. I came home telling Mary all about the beef jerky you make. Jay, always a blast. It's nice seeing you in Dad mode. Your son is awesome. Steve, great time filled with laughs as ways. Jordan and Jill, Thanks for the grub. You saved me from a can of monster and a bag of trail mix.
    Till next time.....
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: occupantX on August 07, 2016, 08:10:52 PM
Thanks John for organizing this, it was a fun weekend with a great group of people. Hope Daphne feels 100% soon.
Great job Danny being brave enough to try all the foreign food flavors, hope your stomach's fine :)
Jordan did a excellent job getting us "un-lost" and back to camp in just over 17 miles in what felt like 100deg (it was probably less, but it felt like 100)
Steve, Jay...good hanging out with you guys, looking forward to seeing you again on the next trip
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on November 07, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
What's next?
   Hurkey Creek in Idyllwild?

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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on November 07, 2016, 11:48:19 PM
Are there mtb trails there?
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Toro on November 08, 2016, 05:02:34 AM
Hurkey Creek is where the "24hrs of Adrenaline" races used to be held. There's a 10 mile loop that starts and stops at camp.

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Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: JFanaselle on November 08, 2016, 12:00:56 PM
It's also a beautiful area in general. Love hiking around Hurkey Creek!
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: knightrider on November 08, 2016, 03:24:45 PM
set a date and they will come.
Title: Re: Mt. Laguna Camp/MTB/Campfire Gathering August 5th - 7th, 2016
Post by: Jayrat on November 08, 2016, 08:38:21 PM
set a date and they will come.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^