Post by: Toro on June 02, 2016, 08:29:43 AM
I'm curious what others would be looking for in an "entry level" off road trailer?
-Rough dimensions
-Tire size
-utility
-amenities
Realistic price expected to pay for something like this?
A clearanced, not to cumbersome, base trailer with big tires and lots of utility/space is easy...but what else are your minimum requiremnts?
Post by: JFanaselle on June 02, 2016, 09:53:32 AM
1) Would need to hold a fair amount of potable water (at least 13 gallons), propane (at least 5 gallons), and possibly a deep cycle battery
2) Would need to be able to go wherever I want to take it
3) Would need a decent amount of storage to hold/store things I couldn't/wouldn't otherwise bring if I only had my X
4) Would need to be able to serve as a fully functioning campsite - Some things would be more necessary, and some would be more of a luxury. Example: 12v water pump would be nice, but gravity fed system would be fine. On board water heating system would be nice, but cold water would be fine. But at a bare minimum, I'd need to be able to use it to cook, clean and hold everything I'd bring.
As far as dimensions and what not... I'd say the smallest package that can successfully accomplish all of the objectives is best. Width for me would have to be the same as the truck, or less. I certainly wouldn't want a wider trailer, but I don't think I'd want it too much more narrow than the rig either for stability. Once I had all of the "essentials" worked out into a size, I'd weigh the non-essentials (luxuries) against how much bigger/more expensive they would make the trailer, and decide which ones I'd want and which ones I wouldn't based on that analysis. But that's just how I am... I always consider the overall value of any item or feature against all of the other specifics... I don't necessarily "need" anything, it's just a matter of how much I'd want vs. how much I'd be comfortable spending on them.
I think maximization of space and having things be able to serve as many functions as possible would be key (like a multi-tool or a swiss army knife). It could take some extreme engineering to utilize every square inch in a productive way, but it would be totally worth it in the end. Basically, you should make this trailer, but without the $45K US price tag :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpKGm3TC5jc
Needs to be able to serve as a fully functioning camp-site, so that my vehicle coul
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
Saw this...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/14af6019710b1bfef732df77b71a22b9.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/76e72f7c4904059960d2829ba56a02ea.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/993da56faa8ea014c3f67485ec351f31.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/ab7f261a2e17e508895020fc61147dd2.jpg)
...while we were camping in Sedona.
This application would suit my needs perfectly.
-spare tire storage
-fuel storage
-propane storage
-gear storage
-flip top
And future RTT ability if that's where you chose to go.
I visited this companies website and their trailers were spec'ing out at around $5K for this base model.
I gotta think you could replicate this for half that with your skills and sourcing Danny.
Good luck....we will be watching and taking notes the whole way.
Btw...there's an M416 in San Diego on expo for $2K.
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Post by: Toro on June 02, 2016, 10:09:18 AM
The main reason I didn't go with an "M" trailer is because I believe they are over sprung at about 3-5k lbs. My plans are for this trailer to tip the scales at around 1.5-2k lbs fully loaded with full tanks....maybe less
This will allow the suspension to cycle and actually work.
Think of an Xterra with 750lb springs that 3 wheels over speed bumps.
Post by: JeffBett on June 02, 2016, 10:18:31 AM
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 10:55:53 AM
Jeff...good questions! I wouldn't take my trailer rock crawling...but from what I've seen, those that do wheel very proactively. Meaning, not putting the train down an irreversible track. Or, disconnect and re-angle if a rough spot arises.
I agree with you, that it should be something you take overland, park, make camp, and use as a base. Carrying all the stuff that clutters your rig and makes camp a more comfortable base.
Larger stove with propane. Some type of water storage. Possibly a roof mounted solar panel. Room for an ez-up or awning.
My thoughts on this topic are endless...and my wallet is not.
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Post by: Toro on June 02, 2016, 11:46:13 AM
How important is water and how much of it? 10-15 gallons sounds reasonable but if a shower is to be used, we should be looking at 20+.
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 01:00:03 PM
"Shower" is a relative term.
Depends on if you want that to be the main drinking water supply or a combo of potable/washable/cooking usage.
I would stick with 15-20 and bring extra gallons of water per person depending on where/how long you're camping primitive style.
During my practice marriage, "we" used all 25 gallons of our trailers storage water taking "one" shower while camping in Yosemite.
Reason #1,263 why that one didn't work out.
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Post by: JeffBett on June 02, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
Post by: CAWoody on June 02, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Post by: JFanaselle on June 02, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
But again, if you're building it on a budget, you should look into tanks and see what you can get on the cheap. There are a few relatively common RV/camper tank sizes (most are larger - 35-50 gallons), and a few different shapes. They're all over eBay and Amazon for well under $100 shipped, and there are usually some good used deals on Craigslist from guys who salvage parts from trailers. Here's a good deal on a 25 gallon cubed tank: http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-Gallon-RV-Concession-Fresh-Water-Tank-camping-outdoor-motor-home-25TK-/201552033361?hash=item2eed6ff651:g:BroAAOSwQjNW~CQ7&vxp=mtr
The shape of the tank is something to think about along with the overall size. The design of the trailer will determine the shape of the tank (or maybe visa-versa?), and the shape of the tank will significantly determine how the weight of the water impacts the trailer. A tank with a large surface footprint (like a very flat and short tank) will lower your center of gravity (if you mount it low in the trailer), but a smaller footprint with more vertical volume (like a taller, more cube-shaped tank) would slosh less in turns and when the trailer is angled. I wouldn't be too concerned about the overall weight of the water. The difference between 13 gallons and 25 gallons is only about 80 lbs. But again, where and how that weight impacts the behavior of the trailer when wheeling could be a concern. All things considered, I wonder how much of an issue it really is with water sloshing around anyway. It's easy to think it would be a big problem, but Xterras have over 20 gallons of fuel on board and the weight of that fuel sloshing around in the factory tank doesn't really effect your wheeling much if at all. Heck, huge trailers that haul thousands of gallons of fuel don't even have baffles, but commercial drivers who haul tankers do need a special endorsement to do so because of the way the shifting weight behaves.
I like the ABS food grade water tanks because you can "weld" fittings and drains wherever you want. But they tend to be far more expensive, smaller in size and aren't nearly as durable (if mounted under the frame for example, that ABS will bust up in an instant if impacted by a rock where the traditional style tanks would hold up fine). Here's what I am looking at using for the Xterra eventually. It would tuck up nicely where the spare tire goes, but I'd need to design some kind of skid plate for it too:
http://www.amazon.com/ABS-Water-Tanks-Motorhome-Tank/dp/B004QDPHLO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1464899452&sr=8-5&keywords=abs+water+tank
Actually, something like this one isn't nearly as expensive as when I looked into this about a year ago: http://www.amazon.com/Valterra-R8060-16-ABS-Tank/dp/B0006MRSRA/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1464899452&sr=8-15&keywords=abs+water+tank
And here are a bunch more sizes: http://www.amazon.com/Valterra-R8030-ABS-Water-Tank/dp/B0006MRSMK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464899907&sr=8-1&keywords=abs+water+tank
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 01:54:32 PM
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Post by: JeffBett on June 02, 2016, 03:00:03 PM
Post by: JeffBett on June 02, 2016, 03:15:48 PM
Post by: Toro on June 02, 2016, 03:23:16 PM
It's a lot like going to Vegas. Pick your budget, and your requirements...and stick to them.
1. Ability (ground clearance, weight, size and length)
2. Utility (basic kitchen, propane, water and electrical)
3. Amenity (awning, rtt, water tanks and plumbing)
Loving the feedback
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 03:33:18 PM
Post by: CVXTERRA on June 02, 2016, 03:50:43 PM
Or this...
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 03:52:23 PM
Looking over the MANY trailers in that rabbit hole, one question comes to mind is how dirty does everything get in the storage compartments. Many are using things like truck tool boxes and I would think the dust kicked up by the tow vehicle would just coat everything. Its hard to keep things clean in the sealed toppered bed of a pickup and its not in the direct dust cloud.
Dirt is ALWAYS an issue...I look at the amount of dust inside my truck bet covered with Softopper each trip and cringe.
The higher end trailers have weatherstipped compartments to protect the stuff, and the smaller Chaser AT style trailers have a seal around the top where the lid closes. I would still pack my sensitives (dry goods, etc.) in Ziplocs for storage on a run inside a trailer box.
Danny...back to one of your original questions...how big of a format.
5 x10 and 6 x10 seem to be the most popular, with the next question in my mind being what type of hitch and tongue length for the style of wheeling/overlanding you are going to tackle.
I like the smaller AT Chaser style boxes, with a fairly short tongue/hitch configuration for more responsive steering/turning off road. But that also comes into play with making sure the trailer doesn't jack knife into the body of your rig.
Another consideration is power...do you want to store your fridge on board? Solar vs dry cell? LED cabinet and awning lights are neat too...and a 7 pin connector to charge while you drive, as well as electric brakes so you exit the La Sals without smokin' hubs...the LIST goes on...and on...and on.
Post by: CAWoody on June 02, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/5566958936.html
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 03:54:48 PM
Sink and food prep areas would be pretty high on my list. Having an integrated camp kitchen on the trailer is pretty cool.
Or this...
That is AWESOME...where did you find that?
Post by: Ghost65 on June 02, 2016, 04:01:30 PM
This is one of the ideas I had. Add one of these old trailers to a storage trailer. This one is way too expensive.
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/5566958936.html
Totally agree Tim...and I'd be concerned about this:
It's Just A Breeze (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGTe-zGjdJo)
Post by: CAWoody on June 02, 2016, 05:25:23 PM
That is AWESOME...where did you find that?
Simple search for tent trailers. When I checked the other locations on craiglist in the past, I found one in Vegas for $500. Unfortunately, I couldn't convince the wife that it was a good idea. She WAY too practical for my tastes. :D
Post by: CAWoody on June 02, 2016, 05:34:11 PM
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5564556542.html
This could be a scaled down version of the one posted on the Expedition site. The add says they have the stock bed. Buy the truck pull the utility bed and put the stock one back on and sell the truck for another $6,000 or more. Easy peasy! You could even use the top half as a double bed camper and get one of those SUV tents and fit your whole clan. At least you'd have protection for those 100 mph breezes in Death Valley or Mojave Road.
Post by: Toro on June 02, 2016, 06:21:13 PM
I'll be building this a bit shorter
and using a 3axis toung
Post by: Sage Bromax on June 03, 2016, 06:51:41 AM
http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Axles/Timbren/ASR35HDS02.html
There is also a guy who makes fiberglass trailer body kits that are pretty reasonable:
M416 style:
http://dinoot.com/models/m-series.html
Smooth body:
http://dinoot.com/models/j-series.html
I was thinking of something along this line:
(http://www.oregontrailer.net/uploads/4/6/9/4/46942051/1269431_orig.jpg)
But without the RTT
Post by: ultrapc40 on June 03, 2016, 07:11:15 AM
I was thinking of something along this line:
(http://www.oregontrailer.net/uploads/4/6/9/4/46942051/1269431_orig.jpg)
But without the RTT
That's a sweet setup
Post by: ultrapc40 on June 03, 2016, 07:13:44 AM
Great now I am looking. But hey you can rent.
Post by: knightrider on June 03, 2016, 08:11:14 AM
-4x6 box with lid
-29"(225/75/15) or 31" (235/85/16) tires. they are cheap and the trailer will still have loads more clearance than your xterra.
-3500lb axle (beefier wheel bearings on 3500lb axle to handle offroad)
-Jeep leaf springs( available in multiple capacities and cheap, longer springs offer a smoother ride for your gear.)
Extras that are nice.
-matching lug pattern to tow vehicle. 6x4.5 is not available in trailer hubs but achievable with 6x5.5 to 6x4.5 wheel adapters. 1.5"-2" thick adapters are also needed to fit most stock car wheels on trailer hubs if you want to match wheels for more spares.
-RTT rack that allows for the RTT to be low during travel and raised while stopped to allow use of annex.
Post by: Toro on June 03, 2016, 08:18:59 AM
Post by: Ghost65 on June 03, 2016, 09:51:31 AM
I think for a basic entry level trailer,
-4x6 box with lid
-29"(225/75/15) or 31" (235/85/16) tires. they are cheap and the trailer will still have loads more clearance than your xterra.
-3500lb axle (beefier wheel bearings on 3500lb axle to handle offroad)
-Jeep leaf springs( available in multiple capacities and cheap, longer springs offer a smoother ride for your gear.)
Extras that are nice.
-matching lug pattern to tow vehicle. 6x4.5 is not available in trailer hubs but achievable with 6x5.5 to 6x4.5 wheel adapters. 1.5"-2" thick adapters are also needed to fit most stock car wheels on trailer hubs if you want to match wheels for more spares.
-RTT rack that allows for the RTT to be low during travel and raised while stopped to allow use of annex.
As per usual...Jordan succinctly covers in one post what I must in five...**sigh** :D
Post by: SCUBA_Dale on June 03, 2016, 10:54:20 AM
http://www.golittleguy.com/model?id=44&model=5-Wide-Rough-Rider#build
Post by: FrankB on June 03, 2016, 04:54:53 PM
Post by: Sage Bromax on June 03, 2016, 05:42:17 PM
Post by: Celt on June 03, 2016, 06:05:54 PM
I, too, remember something about "Made in China"
Heh,,,Heh,,,Heh!
Post by: Toro on June 03, 2016, 08:49:25 PM
This has been a great discussion. I can't add anything of value, but I have noticed something. It's weird, like a ghost sighting. There were some things I could have sworn I saw in earlier posts, and then they just went away. Like a ghost. It makes no sense to me, sort of like having a trailer with bad weight distribution.So many shots in one carefully presented statement.
Well done.
Post by: chrishaynesusa on June 04, 2016, 10:49:20 PM
and I am paying for the initial thrill of a cheaper trailer.
But it has been beefed up quite a bit since Death Valley.
And it does carry alot of stuff,
water, propane, batteries,
solar panels, fuel, RTT,
bridging ladders, maxtrax,
stove,sink, refrigerator, chairs,
tables, cooking gear, trash receptacle, matching tires etc....
I don't mind taking the ribbing, At least I did it.
Post by: Celt on June 05, 2016, 09:08:38 AM
Made in China has its drawbacks......
and I am paying for the initial thrill of a cheaper trailer.
But it has been beefed up quite a bit since Death Valley.
And it does carry alot of stuff,
water, propane, batteries,
solar panels, fuel, RTT,
bridging ladders, maxtrax,
stove,sink, refrigerator, chairs,
tables, cooking gear, trash receptacle, matching tires etc....
I don't mind taking the ribbing, At least I did it.
I have a line on a Warn 12,500 lb winch that you could mount on your trailer if you are interested?
Post by: Sage Bromax on June 05, 2016, 10:21:24 AM
Post by: occupantX on June 05, 2016, 10:47:06 AM
First advise I got when joining this group was 'remove the stock step-rails and rear sway-bar', suppose all you guru's did the same...would you now reinstall the sway-bar?
Post by: knightrider on June 05, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Oh and proper weight distribution on a trailer is key. >:D
Post by: Ghost65 on June 12, 2016, 09:02:11 AM
This has been a great discussion. I can't add anything of value, but I have noticed something. It's weird, like a ghost sighting. There were some things I could have sworn I saw in earlier posts, and then they just went away. Like a ghost. It makes no sense to me, sort of like having a trailer with bad weight distribution.
Ha! :D
Post by: CAWoody on June 15, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/5602862396.html (http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/5602862396.html)
Post by: JFanaselle on June 15, 2016, 02:09:33 PM
Post by: CAWoody on June 15, 2016, 02:13:28 PM
Post by: Ghost65 on June 15, 2016, 03:37:09 PM
Post by: Toro on June 15, 2016, 08:39:31 PM
Post by: Sage Bromax on June 15, 2016, 11:23:35 PM
Post by: CAWoody on June 16, 2016, 07:54:54 AM
I can probably drop that right onto the axle I have, but Joe is right. That thing will weigh 3-4k lbs by the time it's done.
I'd be willing to bet it tips in around 800#. I've been looking at utility beds, and a standard 8' utility bed is between 800# and 1100#. Ad a couple of hundred for the frame and 150 for the tires and your in the 1000# to 1100# range. If your planning on a lot of sand or heavy rock usage that would be like dragging an anchor.
Post by: Ghost65 on June 16, 2016, 12:29:19 PM
I towed it behind my BroncoII when I went down the Arroyo Seco del Diablo Dropoff. It did push a little bit.
Do you have any pics of this trip?
Loving all of this brainstorming on trailers! :D
Post by: Ghost65 on June 20, 2016, 02:01:23 PM
(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae195/DzrtX/Off%20Road%20Trailer/0BE75243-F0D4-4B63-8BFE-B0A84693F203.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/DzrtX/media/Off%20Road%20Trailer/0BE75243-F0D4-4B63-8BFE-B0A84693F203.jpg.html)
I've been putting in some serious snoop time on this site:
Dinoot Trailers (http://dinoot.com/)
Still early, but lots of options and information there.
Post by: knightrider on June 20, 2016, 06:28:30 PM
Sent from my RTT while stargazing
Post by: Sage Bromax on June 21, 2016, 11:55:08 PM
Post by: JeffBett on July 29, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/rvs/5701961111.html
Post by: Ghost65 on July 29, 2016, 04:59:21 PM
Saw this on Craigslist, seems pretty cheap for and off road trailer??
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/rvs/5701961111.html
That's pretty cool...based off of an M416 concept.
Not sure how the tent ventilates though...might be a tad warm/humid in there me thinks? :)
Post by: Celt on August 02, 2016, 11:23:16 AM
Post by: Ghost65 on August 02, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
Any of you guys have updates on your trailer projects?
I am stalled...other "summer projects" have taken priority. :)
Post by: occupantX on August 02, 2016, 08:25:23 PM
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/160339-Off-Road-Tent-Trailer-(So-Cal) (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/160339-Off-Road-Tent-Trailer-(So-Cal))
Post by: Ghost65 on August 03, 2016, 01:33:19 PM
This guy is open for 'reasonable offers':
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/160339-Off-Road-Tent-Trailer-(So-Cal) (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/160339-Off-Road-Tent-Trailer-(So-Cal))
Good catch Hennie....he will probably get $3,500 for it....which is about $3k more than I have right now.
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Post by: JFanaselle on August 03, 2016, 02:39:19 PM
Post by: Jayrat on August 31, 2016, 08:13:48 AM
http://www.fourwheeler.com/product-reviews/1601-10-off-road-camping-trailers-perfect-for-your-jeep/
Post by: knightrider on August 31, 2016, 10:48:42 AM
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Post by: RBduffer on August 31, 2016, 08:45:24 PM
Yea events like that seem to have that kind of effect. :)
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Yeah, I just bought a 200 gallon fresh water tank and then spent $150 on first aid trauma stuff for my "72 hour Go Bag"...And a box of tampons ::)
Post by: JeffBett on September 13, 2016, 10:56:26 AM
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/tro/5755106710.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5718398108.html
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/5712763838.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5732486282.html
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/tro/5770879785.html
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/for/5778401801.html
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tro/5763420742.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/tro/5763648537.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/for/5775807634.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/tro/5775141139.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/rvs/5768317235.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/for/5768317620.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/5749222528.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5720697045.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5760565799.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/5753503873.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5721429109.html
Some may be only helpful for ideas if making your own trailer. Surprising how many there are and the price ranges. A couple seem very cheap. I am almost tempted.
Post by: JFanaselle on September 13, 2016, 11:10:51 AM
Post by: lutsie on September 13, 2016, 11:24:43 AM
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Post by: Ghost65 on September 13, 2016, 11:34:56 AM
Spotted a few trailers on local Craigslist....
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/tro/5755106710.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5718398108.html
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/5712763838.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5732486282.html
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/tro/5770879785.html
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/for/5778401801.html
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tro/5763420742.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/tro/5763648537.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/for/5775807634.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/tro/5775141139.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/rvs/5768317235.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/for/5768317620.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/5749222528.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5720697045.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5760565799.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/5753503873.html
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tro/5721429109.html
Some may be only helpful for ideas if making your own trailer. Surprising how many there are and the price ranges. A couple seem very cheap. I am almost tempted.
Nice collection of links...agreed Jeff, some very tempting offers.
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Post by: CAWoody on September 13, 2016, 07:51:44 PM
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Should have the box built this weekend, maybe even skinned.
Post by: Celt on September 13, 2016, 08:31:18 PM
Post by: CAWoody on September 13, 2016, 08:34:42 PM
Nice! How are you planning on setting it up, generator, solar, water tank etc?Going to start with the basics then add as I go and get more money.
Post by: Jayrat on September 13, 2016, 08:58:08 PM
Post by: Sage Bromax on March 04, 2017, 05:21:24 PM
http://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?topic=4211.0
Post by: Grizzly on March 18, 2017, 09:13:57 PM
Post by: RBduffer on March 19, 2017, 01:52:35 PM
Post by: Ghost65 on March 19, 2017, 04:14:48 PM
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Post by: ultrapc40 on May 09, 2017, 07:35:14 AM
https://www.facebook.com/926058810805297/videos/1032592430151934/ (https://www.facebook.com/926058810805297/videos/1032592430151934/)
Post by: CAWoody on May 09, 2017, 07:56:48 AM
Post by: Sage Bromax on May 09, 2017, 08:26:55 AM
It's like a military size ShiftPod. I like the idea of A/C. :DThe ultimate Burning Man party tent!
Post by: Celt on May 09, 2017, 07:19:42 PM
The ultimate Burning Man party tent!
Hippies.............. >:(