Post by: Jayrat on January 18, 2018, 09:13:44 PM
When: Friday October 5th, Saturday October 6th, Sunday October 7th,
optional day Monday October 8th
Where: https://nextcampsite.com/blair-valley-campground-anza-borrego-sp/
Who: SCCX
Friday October 5th: Arrive /Meet and Greet / Potluck
Saturday October 6th: Trail Day 1
Sunday October 7th: Trail Day 2
Monday October 8th (Optional)[/b]
THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT
"As long as Kids and Pets are Friendly"
EDIT: corrected dates
Post by: Jayrat on January 18, 2018, 09:14:02 PM
Green
Trail Leader: Duffman
1.fourxfunk
2.joser26
2. Siberia
4.
5.
etc
Tail Gunner
Blue
Trail Leader: Jayrat
Canyon Sin Nombre/Fish Creek Wash
1.Hawairish
2.CraigBos
3.Vegasvuk
4.14Frontier
5.JeffBett
6.
7.
etc
Tail Gunner:RikRong
Black
Trail Leader: Celt
1.Nick (Rogue Overland)
2.
etc
Tail Gunner:
Post by: Jayrat on January 18, 2018, 09:14:21 PM
Green Trail Leader: Celt
Calcite / Military Wash
1.RikRong
2.Syberia
3.Hawairish
4.Vegasvuk
5.14Frontier
6.
etc.
Tail Gunner:Jayrat
Blue Trail Leader: Creator of Celt
Canyon Sin Nombre
1.Nick (Rogue Overland)
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3.
4.
5.
etc.
Post by: Jayrat on January 18, 2018, 09:14:36 PM
BLUE TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:[/size
Vehicle in safe operational condition
◦ Roll bar or factory installed hard top
◦ Emergency brake, parking brake, line-lock or other redundant braking system.
◦ Tow strap or kinetic rope (recommend rated at 2 times the vehicle weight).
◦ First aid kit
◦ Jack capable of lifting the vehicle & tools to change a tire.
◦ Full size spare tire along with tools to repair/reflate tire.
◦ Fire extinguisher with gauge indicating good/full, appropriately stored
◦ Seat belts for all vehicle occupants
◦ Recovery points front and rear - Tow balls are not recovery points
◦ Battery hold downs (no bungee cords)
◦ Ham Radio or CB (not necessary)
◦ Shovel
◦ Lunch
◦ Extra Water
◦ Hat
◦ Flash Light (extra batteries)
BLACK TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:
TBA
Post by: Jayrat on January 18, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
Post by: EJsarus on January 18, 2018, 09:31:58 PM
Post by: JFanaselle on January 19, 2018, 10:01:51 AM
Post by: SCUBA_Dale on January 19, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
I know there would be a cost to this, just waiting to hear how much.
Post by: Jayrat on January 19, 2018, 10:12:11 AM
Hey Jayrat - just to confirm, is "Day 1" Saturday, or Friday?I was thinking Trail Day 1 would be Saturday
Friday would be a meet and greet
Post by: RBduffer on January 19, 2018, 10:12:39 AM
Post by: Jayrat on January 19, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Post by: RikRong on January 19, 2018, 01:35:23 PM
As an option, I reached out to Ocotillo Wells Ranger Station to see how much it would be to reserve/rent the amphitheater/event center on Main St. This area has tons of picnic tables, a huge community campfire ring, bathrooms, and showers. It is also located centrally to all of the trails that will be run(I'm assuming).That would be a great option, especially for a meet-n-greet or if we want to sponsor potluck style meals each night. Those that want to camp elsewhere could probably do that, too.
I know there would be a cost to this, just waiting to hear how much.
Post by: Celt on January 19, 2018, 02:37:56 PM
That would be a great option, especially for a meet-n-greet or if we want to sponsor potluck style meals each night. Those that want to camp elsewhere could probably do that, too.
I think Jayrat and I are shying away from the big potluck meals. Some of the reasons are it's a lot of work and with people out running trails time hacks may not get met due to breakdowns etc. People might not get fed which wouldn't be good. I'm not saying we won't do it but with a large group going to the four winds it has a high potential for a mess. Scuba Dale has a good idea depending upon cost and regulations.
Post by: RikRong on January 19, 2018, 03:04:54 PM
I think Jayrat and I are shying away from the big potluck meals. Some of the reasons are it's a lot of work, picky eaters and with people out running trails time hacks may not get met due to breakdowns etc. People might not get fed which wouldn't be good. I'm not saying we won't do it but with a large group going to the four winds it has a high potential for a mess. Scuba Dale has a good idea depending upon cost and regulations.Yeah, that actually makes sense. I never really thought about it from that aspect.
Post by: Ghost65 on January 20, 2018, 08:14:52 AM
Post by: SCUBA_Dale on January 20, 2018, 07:02:24 PM
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Post by: Celt on January 21, 2018, 04:33:49 AM
Heard back from the Rangers... $200/day
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Post by: SCUBA_Dale on January 21, 2018, 10:58:34 AM
Ouch...
Yeah...not really feasible unless we can get 20 guys to chip in $20 each. With that said, if we wanted to stay with the OW camping theme, there's a spot not too far away off the road that I like to use a lot that would work great in my opinion. There are 3 pavilions, 3 fire pits, and plenty of room for a large crowd. Also, still centrally located, vault toilets super close, showers within a few minutes. We would definitely have to get there earlier on Friday to lock it in if this was a move we made.
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Post by: knightrider on January 21, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Post by: Jayrat on January 25, 2018, 04:16:07 PM
we should do a Meet and Greet with Potluck
as Joe said we at SCCX have a good group of cooks
Saturday , Sunday are trail days which would make it hard to group cook
so we should stick to Friday for Eat and Greet
Here is the Food thread
http://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?topic=4586.new#new
Post by: EJsarus on January 25, 2018, 07:06:23 PM
Post by: Jayrat on January 25, 2018, 07:22:39 PM
Im going to try to wheel but if not, I dont mind staying back in camp and possibly get an early start for dinner. Im sure someone else would stick around to help. Just throw me suggestions and I will see what can be cooked up!Awesome ,if you make it , they will eat it
Post by: RikRong on January 26, 2018, 08:15:05 AM
For the runs, put me as tail for the blue run on Saturday and the green run on Sunday, if you don't mind me being tail. I'm trying to get the family to come and I think the green run on Sunday will be perfect for the girls.
edit: I'm going to share the FB event to the AZXC and NV pages.
Post by: Jayrat on January 26, 2018, 09:06:44 AM
Are we at the point we can start cross-posting this on the AZXC and NV pages?I've already posted it on AZXC's web site but not there FB so yes please, Knightrider created a FB for us
For the runs, put me as tail for the blue run on Saturday and the green run on Sunday, if you don't mind me being tail. I'm trying to get the family to come and I think the green run on Sunday will be perfect for the girls.
edit: I'm going to share the FB event to the AZXC and NV pages.
Post by: knightrider on January 26, 2018, 09:57:08 AM
https://www.facebook.com/events/137794836892269/
Post by: RikRong on January 26, 2018, 01:43:52 PM
I've already posted it on AZXC's web site but not there FB so yes please, Knightrider created a FB for us
FB event postedI went ahead and posted the FB event and a link to this thread on AZXC and SSN FB pages.
https://www.facebook.com/events/137794836892269/
Post by: Jayrat on January 27, 2018, 07:21:50 AM
I went ahead and posted the FB event and a link to this thread on AZXC and SSN FB pages.What is SSN ?
Post by: RikRong on January 27, 2018, 08:02:15 AM
What is SSN ?Silver State Nissans.
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Post by: RBduffer on January 27, 2018, 12:13:11 PM
Post by: Celt on January 31, 2018, 07:09:43 PM
Post by: jvr on February 03, 2018, 12:31:40 PM
Post by: beedee on February 05, 2018, 09:37:29 AM
Post by: fourxfunk on February 05, 2018, 08:15:04 PM
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Post by: S4ad0w10 on March 15, 2018, 05:52:00 PM
Post by: Syberia on March 16, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Post by: Celt on March 16, 2018, 03:48:23 PM
Anza Borrego is a favorite place for my wife and I to visit anyways, and we just bought a 2005 Off Road X. That's our first 4WD/Off Road vehicle and we have no experience; hopefully there's at least something that's easy enough for us to handle?
I can tell you with 100% assuredness there will be plenty of trails to accommodate you. You will also be able to gain lots of knowledge about wheeling if you want on those trails and build lots of confidence.
Post by: Syberia on March 16, 2018, 08:08:14 PM
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Post by: steve c on March 16, 2018, 10:23:02 PM
We will be there then. And you can put us down for chicken strips for the potluck. Also can bring a projector and movie screen if that interests anyone.
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YAAASSSS!
Can we watch 'Stripes"?
Post by: Syberia on March 16, 2018, 11:53:49 PM
Post by: JFanaselle on March 17, 2018, 05:47:28 PM
Post by: Adam12SD on March 19, 2018, 10:43:39 PM
Post by: Celt on March 20, 2018, 05:47:23 AM
Hi guys! I’m a super newb beginner to off-roading as well. Any prerequisites for me to join you guys on the trip?
Have a licensed off road capable vehicle. 4WD is good but not a pre-requisite. Have camping gear and be able to bring your food and water along with some firewood. The rest is up to you as were planning to run several different types of trails. This is planned to be a family/dog friendly event. If you want to sharpen off road skills this is a good event as there should be lots of knowledge there.
Post by: Adam12SD on March 22, 2018, 07:36:49 AM
Have a licensed off road capable vehicle. 4WD is good but not a pre-requisite. Have camping gear and be able to bring your food and water along with some firewood. The rest is up to you as were planning to run several different types of trails. This is planned to be a family/dog friendly event. If you want to sharpen off road skills this is a good event as there should be lots of knowledge there.Awesome! Thanks for the information. I wouldn’t want to hold anyone up from having a good time, but as for just getting my feet wet off roading, I WOULD feel more comfortable with some seasoned people there.
Post by: JFanaselle on March 22, 2018, 01:10:24 PM
*Some shelter for camping (a tent, or some people just sleep in their rig, plus a sleeping bag, etc)
*Food for yourself and anyone in your group, both on the trail and back at camp. Days on the trail usually result in lunch on the trail, so plan accordingly. Having some extra food is also a good idea, in the event of an emergency.
*Water. Again, have enough for an emergency. The absolute least you should have in the desert is 1 gallon per day per person in your group. More is always good.
*Fuel for your rig. Most folks show up with as full of a tank as possible (aka - filling up at the closest gas station), and bring at least a few extra gallons.
*Firewood for the group fire. Specific amount will be defined as we get closer to the event, but usually one or two bundles per attending rig ends up giving us plenty for a few good nights' fires.
*Anything else that is an "essential" for you or anyone in your group. Think: heaters, portable bathrooms (and toilet paper), air mattress, etc. For example, we will likely be staying where there is no bathrooms. Some people don't mind hiking a distance from camp with a shovel and squatting over a hole. Others prefer to "go" in a more comfortable setting, especially if you have family members in your group. If you know that certain amenities are important to you or anyone in your group, plan accordingly to have them with you. Remember, we'll be in the open desert with pretty much nothing around but ourselves and whatever we bring.
If you don't have a lot of experience dry camping, you'll learn a lot from this group quickly in just a single outing. The key is to not be a burden on the group while you're learning, and that's easily accomplished by bringing the few things I listed above. It's one thing to forget ketchup and ask if anyone in the group has some for your hot dog, but it's another thing to run out of gas on the trail because you were the only one who didn't bring extra fuel. Feel free to ask tons of questions, as everyone here has their own style and their own essentials for trips like this. For example, I prefer to bring a big kitchen setup and cook great food for myself and my family. Celt usually likes to throw some scraps into a piece of foil and set it in the campfire for a few minutes and call it dinner lol (or he's been known to pull an MRE out from under his seat during the middle of a day on the trail).
As far as the actual trails and offroading, don't worry, we won't get you into any situations you aren't comfortable with. If you're still learning the capabilities of your rig and yourself, you can stick with the group on the green trails, which are basically dirt fire roads. The last thing you should consider is some kind of communications capability. Most of our group runs Ham radios, but it requires a license before you can operate on one. Getting the license isn't difficult, there are free or cheap study guides that will help you pass the test for the most basic license, but it does take a little bit of a time investment to study and be ready (some people just buckle down and get it done in a day or two, others will study for a few minutes a day for a few weeks before they're ready). There are very inexpensive handheld Ham radio options from China (see: Baofeng). Even if you don't obtain a license before this trip, you can purchase one of the radios for $30 or less and be able to at least monitor the communications taking place within the group you're in. CB is a secondary option, but less and less folks in our group are running CBs these days, so you're far better off with the HAM if you can swing it.
Look forward to seeing you out there!
Post by: Celt on March 22, 2018, 01:15:42 PM
Post by: JeffBett on March 22, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-SaYRwrU5E
Post by: RikRong on March 22, 2018, 03:18:13 PM
+10 for the MRE's!!!Just make sure you prep your body, before deciding to survive off MREs for an entire trip... O0
Post by: Syberia on March 22, 2018, 04:43:42 PM
+10 for the MRE's!!!You bring your MREs, I'll bring my fridge, freezer, ice cream, fresh baked cinnamon rolls, steaks, pizza, hell I've even done filet mignon and Korean BBQ on a camping trip!
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Post by: EJsarus on March 22, 2018, 05:02:30 PM
Post by: Celt on March 22, 2018, 05:51:59 PM
mmmm MRE jalapeno cheese spread......
Exactly..........
Post by: RikRong on March 22, 2018, 08:00:50 PM
mmmm MRE jalapeno cheese spread......Sold at WinCo by the package.
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Post by: RBduffer on March 22, 2018, 08:59:27 PM
Post by: knightrider on March 22, 2018, 10:11:41 PM
Screw you guys, I camping next to Syberia :DThis, He will fit right in with this group.
Post by: EJsarus on March 23, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
Post by: JFanaselle on March 24, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
Apple pies with Jalapeno spread.. Lord have mercy.
The "musical" tales that Riley (the boy) tells of sleeping in that air-tight shift pod with Celt... lol
Post by: Celt on March 24, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
The "musical" tales that Riley (the boy) tells of sleeping in that air-tight shift pod with Celt... lol
Lies.............
Post by: TurboChris on March 28, 2018, 07:48:33 PM
GREEN TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:
TBA
BLUE TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:
TBA
BLACK TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:
TBA
Can someone point me to more info regarding what the expectations are of green, blue and black trails?
Post by: Celt on March 28, 2018, 08:06:02 PM
Can someone point me to more info regarding what the expectations are of green, blue and black trails?
It's basically a guideline. This year for CANVAZ we are going to have several different runs depending upon interest. As a general guide, a Green trail is anything stock and no real off road experience necessary. A Blue trail will have some obstacles that a driver will have to negotiate and it may be best to have some form of tire other than street and maybe some other minor modifications like skid plates or some rock sliders. Off roading experience is more helpful. A Black trail is for the modified crowd with off road tires, armor and generally a rear locker with good to very good off roading and recovery skills. Blue and Green trails generally involve little risk of damage to a vehicle. A Black trail has a good possibility of damage or breakage.
Jayrat and I have not yet compiled a list of trails and types yet but it's in the works. With each trail the expectations will be clearly set out with what to expect. The trail guides and cat herders will be experienced and will have vehicles that are probably a little more capable than the trail requirements as a whole. As the lists come out of the trails each leader will set their idea of what to expect but it is up to you to be prepared and bring extras such as plenty of water, some food and warm clothes and/or a blanket in case of a nasty break. Nobody will be left behind but you surely don't want to be that guy that shows up without water and the like thinking the trail leader is going to supply everything. There is nothing wrong with attempting a higher class of trail to polish up your skills. When the runs get posted then would be the time to ask the trail leader any questions you may have if you are thinking about it.
This is shaping up to be a really good event this year with lots of participation. You will find a good attitude and a willingness to help out with tasks go a long way. The trail leaders/cat herders put a lot of time and energy into making it a great time for everyone on the run and they get a lot of satisfaction when they see people smiling or talking about how much fun they had. Hope this helped to clear any questions up about the general rating scheme.
Post by: EJsarus on March 28, 2018, 09:38:33 PM
8) Bravo!
Jayrat, put me down for 2nd day green run.
Post by: TurboChris on March 29, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
It's basically a guideline.
I'm not new to offroading. Just new to Xterras. Thanks for the explanation! After a lifetime of large, lifted full size 4x4's I've "downsized" to the Xterra. Just gonna have to make myself be happy with 3" of lift and little BFG 33" AT's (First non mudders I've ever owned)
Post by: Celt on May 11, 2018, 04:39:27 AM
For the runs, put me as tail for the blue run on Saturday and the green run on Sunday.
The way you are set up you would be fine on Pinyon Mtn with me, just sayin...
Post by: RikRong on May 11, 2018, 07:41:39 AM
The way you are set up you would be fine on Pinyon Mtn with me, just sayin...Hmm, I'll have to think about that. I'm more concerned about the passengers I might have with me for this trip. I'm not sure how they'd handle anything over a blue.
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Post by: SCUBA_Dale on May 11, 2018, 07:46:06 AM
Hmm, I'll have to think about that. I'm more concerned about the passengers I might have with me for this trip. I'm not sure how they'd handle anything over a blue.The sandstone canyon run is perfect for you, and has the best scenery in my opinion.
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Post by: Ghost65 on May 11, 2018, 02:02:13 PM
The way you are set up you would be fine on Pinyon Mtn with me, just sayin...
Not sure if Titan swapped rigs are good through The Squeeze...
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Post by: CAWoody on May 11, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
Not sure if Titan swapped rigs are good through The Squeeze...
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Post by: Celt on May 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PM
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Post by: Celt on May 16, 2018, 04:18:03 PM
Can I join the Green Trail for both days?
Certainly can.
Post by: Celt on June 03, 2018, 09:26:58 AM
Pinyon Mtn (Difficult/Black-ish).
Requirements: 4WD with capabilities for 4L.
Good recovery points front and rear.
Off road tires (AT/MT etc.) no street cross over types.
Comms: 2m 146.535
Info: This trail has a high probability of some trail damage mostly rock rash from the squeeze depending on the line you choose or lack of doing what the spotter is suggesting you do. Heart Attack hill is not for everyone. It's steep and long, you will experience a fair amount of sliding and three wheeled stands due to the IFS. You need to have good driving skills but it's a whole lot of fun. There are a few more obstacles along the trail that are fun but not terrible. I will do everything possible to get everyone through it as safely and damage free as possible. This is hands down my favorite trail in our desert!
Route: Begin at Pinyon Mtn Rd. off of S2 right outside of Shelter Valley AKA Earthquake Valley: (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pinyon+Mountains/@33.0532267,-116.3729314,7592m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80da2beec01d028b:0xe2ac6d2dc9614163!8m2!3d33.056157!4d-116.3411238 ) We'll continue East along Pinyon Mtn and exit Fish Creek Wash and continue on to Split Mtn Rd. Take that North and hit Hwy 78 West until we get by the ranger station off of Quarry Rd. Shortly after that I plan to head out onto the Goat Trail which has some fun ridgeline travel another fun drop and a few minor off camber obstacles through a wash. We will come out into the San Felipe Wash and head back West and get to play around in some good sized sand dunes and come out in Borrego Springs for a re-fuel. There are no other fuel points along this trail and it wouldn't make sense to go into Salton City for fuel as it's too far out of the way for this planned route. We will head back to camp from Borrego Springs as a group when everyone is ready unless you/we want to stay in town for food or whatever.
This will be a long day and a re-fuel will most likely be necessary if you are operating one of the gas guzzlers out there. Bring what you want to eat and a little extra in case somebody breaks. Bring lots of water and at least a warm jacket and blanket for everyone in your vehicle. I don't plan to have any comms mandatory but if you have a 2M bring it. I don't plan on stopping very much and smelling the desert petunias (See 1st sentence in this paragraph) but I do plan to stop and have lunch somewhere probably in the shade of Fish Creek. This trail is a whole lot of fun and not The Spectre of Death many make it out to be. Yes you can get into trouble on it quickly but that's exactly why there will be spotters (Probably me) on the difficult parts to mitigate issues. I'm thinking 5 vehicles total but I will stretch those numbers if the extras are self contained. If you have questions ask them or PM me and I really look forward to seeing you guys out for this years CANVAZ!
Celt
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Post by: Jayrat on June 03, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
Drivers Meeting 9:00am
On the Move at 9:30am
Estimated return 2:00 - 3:00
Difficulty Rating 4-5 (depending on current conditions)
Trail Leader: Jayrat
Drive to trailhead @ Canyon Sin Nombre and S2
Finish: Fish Creek / Split Mtn.
Ham / CB Freq: TBD at Driver Meeting
Limited to 13 Rigs
Recommended Gear:
Vehicle in safe operational condition
Roll bar or factory installed hard top
Emergency brake, parking brake, line-lock or other redundant braking system.
Tow strap or kinetic rope (recommend rated at 2 times the vehicle weight).
First aid kit
Jack capable of lifting the vehicle & tools to change a tire.
Full size spare tire along with tools to repair/reflate tire.
Fire extinguisher with gauge indicating good/full, appropriately stored
Seat belts for all vehicle occupants
Recovery points front and rear - Tow balls are not recovery points
Battery hold downs (no bungee cords)
Ham Radio or CB
Winch
Shovel
Trash Bags
Extra clothing
Extra Food
Extra Water
Hat
Flash Light (extra batteries)
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Post by: Syberia on June 08, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Post by: jvr on July 18, 2018, 09:13:04 PM
Post by: Celt on July 19, 2018, 03:46:54 AM
Black on Saturday blue on Sunday for me ty
I was curious if you got front and rear recovery points installed since the Mojave?
Saturday, Oct 6th
Pinyon Mtn (Difficult/Black-ish).
Requirements: 4WD with capabilities for 4L.
Good recovery points front and rear.
Off road tires (AT/MT etc.) no street cross over types.
Post by: Syberia on August 01, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
Post by: LBX on August 01, 2018, 11:10:07 AM
Post by: Celt on August 01, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
Wife wants to know if you've decided where we'll be camping yet?
We are not 100% sure yet but have thought about just outside of Butterfield or out near Fish Creek Wash.
Is it typically still hot AF at the beginning of October out there?
It can be hot/warm by day but the nights should be cool enough. I'm sure there will be plenty of easy ups and tarps set up anyway.
Post by: Celt on August 11, 2018, 10:34:57 PM
Post by: Celt on August 11, 2018, 10:58:28 PM
Vehicle limit: None.
Vehicle requirements: Highly suggested off road AT or MT tires. Recovery points front and rear suggested.
Comms: 2m desired but none required 146.535.
Suggestions: Bring food for lunch at Calcite Mine, extra in case of breakdown. Bring jackets, blankets and plenty of water for everyone in your vehicle i.e. 1 gallon per person per day. Temps in this area can vary widely from really cold and windy to hot by day to cold at night.
Trail description: This is a classic trip up to a mine where Calcite was mined during WWII which provided what was needed for the Norton bomb sight in the B-25's B-17's over Europe and the Pacific Theaters of war so it's a pretty historic place all things concerning. Getting up there is a steep run with loose rock and dirt. Conditions are constantly changing. Some off camber spots. If you are not comfortable with a steep dropoff to one side and steep hillside to another this might be a point to consider. It's certainly not a black run but moreso light gray-ish. There are no bypasses and it has a couple obstacles that are pretty easily passable. Up on the top there is some amazing views of the Salton Sea, Borrego and Ocotillo Wells. It's a relatively short trip but what I plan to do is get there via the Military Wash and stop at some of Patton's bombing and strafing ranges where the area is still littered with projectiles and a few targets of opportunity. On the way back we will hit the Tectonic Wash which gives a fun trip back towards Borrego Springs where if time allows we will stop at Font's Point. For anyone who has not seen this place it's not something to be missed. After that we can head into Borrego Springs and re-fuel and head back to camp.
Military Wash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS5qN-t9mGY (Couldn't find anything other than this annoying dirt bike as far as videos on Youtube)
Calcite Mine:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaG8UahKBA0 (Gives you an idea what the trip is like)
Fonts Point:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJOiwN5l9W4 (The great view from that place)
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Post by: FrankB on August 12, 2018, 12:17:49 AM
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Military Wash: Couldn't find anything other than this annoying dirt bike.
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Eric,
I think Military Wash has been cleaned up a lot since I first went out there in early 2009. On that trip the ground was covered with brass cartridge casings and spent projectiles, but on the more recent trips it looked a lot cleaner. Still worth going to and looking around. There are still some target frames, rails, and some reinforced concrete stuff, and you could probably still find some spent projectiles.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/So-Cal-Explorations-Day/Military-Wash-Feb-2009/i-mgcngvj/0/6a10acfa/L/IMGP8572-L.jpg)
Here is a link to an old gallery of mine that has some pictures from Military Wash and close by areas, from a trip we did in February of 2009.
https://frankbaiamonte.smugmug.com/So-Cal-Explorations-Day/Military-Wash-Feb-2009/ (https://frankbaiamonte.smugmug.com/So-Cal-Explorations-Day/Military-Wash-Feb-2009/)
I don't have a picture, but we actually found a live .50 cal round. Fully intact.
I can show you on a map some time where some good places to look for things are.
Post by: Celt on August 12, 2018, 07:59:52 AM
Eric,
I think Military Wash has been cleaned up a lot since I first went out there in early 2009. On that trip the ground was covered with brass cartridge casings and spent projectiles, but on the more recent trips it looked a lot cleaner. Still worth going to and looking around. There are still some target frames, rails, and some reinforced concrete stuff, and you could probably still find some spent projectiles.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/So-Cal-Explorations-Day/Military-Wash-Feb-2009/i-mgcngvj/0/6a10acfa/L/IMGP8572-L.jpg)
Here is a link to an old gallery of mine that has some pictures from Military Wash and close by areas, from a trip we did in February of 2009.
https://frankbaiamonte.smugmug.com/So-Cal-Explorations-Day/Military-Wash-Feb-2009/ (https://frankbaiamonte.smugmug.com/So-Cal-Explorations-Day/Military-Wash-Feb-2009/)
I don't have a picture, but we actually found a live .50 cal round. Fully intact.
I can show you on a map some time where some good places to look for things are.
Thanks for the write up Frank. Over the years it's always been fun to stop there and let the kids jump out and explore the area to see what they find then talk about what they found. The historical significance of that entire area just amazes me. That whole area was a couple of different seas over time, some freshwater some saltwater. Who knows what type of dinosaur roamed those lands and how many generations of native peoples inhabited it. In much more recent history all of the training that went on down there to prepare our troops for N. Africa during WWII should give even the most causal visitor time to pause in reflection at we have at our doorstep. I would be interested to see what you have on your map and compare it with what I know of the area.
Post by: ultrapc40 on August 12, 2018, 09:50:55 AM
Post by: Celt on August 12, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
I have done calcite 3 times you can put me in the middle of the pack.
Done buddy...
Post by: Gunslinger2N on August 12, 2018, 11:57:16 AM
I know a lot of you have done these trips several times, it would be good for the noobs if you threw out a fuel / water / gear recommendations. I would hate to be "That guy" who dint have enough fuel or water and really earn the "Noooobe" namesake.
Post by: Celt on August 12, 2018, 03:46:30 PM
Ok, well I will give this one a shot. If a spot is available... LOL.
I know a lot of you have done these trips several times, it would be good for the noobs if you threw out a fuel / water / gear recommendations. I would hate to be "That guy" who dint have enough fuel or water and really earn the "Noooobe" namesake.
It's a three day event where we will be dry camping. No water is available on site so you may want to follow the 1 gallon per person per day rule of thumb and adjust accordingly to your needs. The closest fuel is about 30 miles away in Borrego Springs and Salton City which would be a longer distance if you stay off the roads and go through the desert. I would suggest having at least 5 gallons extra in your vehicle or at your camp. I'll probably bring more but my vehicles aren't exactly the fuel-efficient types. Most of the runs should probably incorporate a fuel stop at the end or you can simply get into Borrego Springs after peeling off from the group. Showers and the like are available at the Ocotillo Wells Ranger Station (What they cost I don't know). You can re-stock food/beer/ice and the like in Borrego. They have a small general store and several restaurants. Fuel prices vary greatly there but can sometimes be less that what we pay around here in the cities. Prepare for warm to near hot by day and cold at night. An awning or easy up isn't a bad idea. We will have a general dispersed camping area but plan to always have someone hanging back to watch over things during the day while everyone is out on trails. One of the locations we are thinking about has a composting toilet but the other does not. Some of the guys bring crap castles others just go out into the desert with a shovel. The local Laguna repeater Rx 147.1500 Tx 147.7500 + tone 107.2 covers the entire area very well so comms are really good. Each run will most likely have their own simplex channel set by the trail leader. I can't speak for CB as many aren't using them anymore. If you have more questions ask as Jayrat and I really want everyone to enjoy themselves and feel comfortable wheeling with this group, no strangers just new friends.
Post by: Gunslinger2N on August 12, 2018, 05:00:24 PM
That was awesome, Thank you! Nailed it! Now I feel like I have a wealth of knowledge to work with, and its not so up in the air.
You guys are going to make me get my HAM license aint you..... lol
Post by: Jayrat on August 12, 2018, 05:42:10 PM
Celt,Peer Pressure >:D
That was awesome, Thank you! Nailed it! Now I feel like I have a wealth of knowledge to work with, and its not so up in the air.
You guys are going to make me get my HAM license aint you..... lol
Post by: Syberia on August 12, 2018, 05:45:38 PM
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Post by: Celt on August 12, 2018, 05:48:37 PM
You guys are going to make me get my HAM license aint you..... lol
Or you can just roam around the desert in radio silence just like when your driver didn't get the current comms upload.
Post by: Gunslinger2N on August 14, 2018, 05:16:53 PM
Post by: Gunslinger2N on August 14, 2018, 05:27:36 PM
That would only happen to a less seasoned NCO. You know you always have to double check a young trooper (CAV), as they are prone to dropping the ball..... Just ordered a BAOFENG handheld (in CAMO....LOL). At least I can listen to you guys. Will use morse code withe the trail lights / Smoke signals / Carrier pigeon or just toss a rock to send responces. lol lol lol lol lol
Post by: Celt on August 14, 2018, 08:21:45 PM
Post by: RikRong on August 15, 2018, 08:37:16 AM
Post by: Jayrat on August 15, 2018, 09:05:23 AM
Post by: Celt on August 15, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
Hey Jay, I'll lead a green trail either day, and both if really necessary ::)
Since we have what looks like three runs on Saturday and two on Sunday could you lead a Sunday run? Jayrat will give you beer and maybe Joe would whip up some s'mores for you the night before.
Post by: RBduffer on August 15, 2018, 10:11:12 PM
Post by: Celt on August 16, 2018, 04:46:09 AM
Easy Sunday drive? I can lead that!
I think..... we should just about have everything covered with three runs each day. I'll wait for Jayrat to chime in as well but I think that should do it.
Post by: Syberia on August 16, 2018, 06:55:46 AM
Post by: RikRong on August 16, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
Post by: RikRong on August 16, 2018, 12:03:17 PM
Put down Jeff W. for Pinyon Mtn. on Saturday. He's coming from AZ and driving an XJ.
Post by: FBinSD on August 16, 2018, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: knightrider on August 16, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Post by: Jayrat on August 16, 2018, 09:55:18 PM
You can't run green trails if you are titan swapped Frank...LOL :'(
Post by: steve c on August 16, 2018, 10:19:32 PM
Post by: FBinSD on August 17, 2018, 06:47:16 AM
You can't run green trails if you are titan swapped Frank...
What if I run it in reverse? :D
Also, any recommendations on which baofeng model to get? It would be nice to listen in at least while driving backwards...lol
Post by: Celt on August 17, 2018, 07:07:13 AM
What if I run it in reverse? :D
Also, any recommendations on which baofeng model to get? It would be nice to listen in at least while driving backwards...lol
Just watch out for the no driving in reverse signs and I would imagine you could do whatever you want.... :) Buuuutttt, in all seriousness if you are planning on getting and using a HAM license I would shy away from the Baofengs. Some folks use them and like them but in my opinion they are not great quality and can be questionable. If you have the coin and plan on using them buy the best one you can afford as it will pay off in the long run.
Post by: steve c on August 17, 2018, 09:11:56 AM
Definitely start with a Boafeng.
Great little radio.
Especially if you just plan to listen. I have an external magnet mount antenna you can use which really isn't necessary for trail runs.
When you get your ham license, buy a good dual band radio.
If it's just for trail runs and you don't want to do it as a hobby, no need to go full send and spend a bunch of money.
Any of the UV5r stuff is fine.
These little radio are also fantastic for spotting drivers through sections.
Post by: RikRong on August 17, 2018, 11:59:51 AM
You can't run green trails if you are titan swapped Frank...Crap got me on that. lol Green trail for me Sunday.
Post by: RBduffer on August 17, 2018, 05:08:37 PM
Duffman, AKA, The Hammer
Post by: RikRong on August 17, 2018, 05:14:16 PM
Rick, I altered some of your posts 'for the greater good'. If you have any questions, please feel free to keep them to yourself :-*Perfect, thank you. No questions. Lol
Duffman, AKA, The Hammer
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Post by: Ghost65 on August 17, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
What's a little rubbin amongst friends?
Um...what??
:o
Post by: Celt on August 17, 2018, 10:27:50 PM
Post by: knightrider on August 17, 2018, 11:04:02 PM
Post by: Celt on August 18, 2018, 12:07:36 AM
He probably has an xterra related ghost story or 2 he could share around the campfire :)
"Ghost65" or "Ghost story"?
???
Post by: steve c on August 18, 2018, 12:16:40 AM
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Post by: Celt on August 18, 2018, 12:55:49 AM
If you rub those two stories together, I hear you get a GhostXeannie
(https://media.tenor.com/images/dc72aa92b5fdc599b7a384e95f61fd54/tenor.gif)
You do have a point there but my question is who lives in the bottle?
Post by: Ghost65 on August 18, 2018, 12:10:44 PM
You do have a point there but my question is who lives in the bottle?
...depends on who attends the campfire :D :D :D
Post by: RBduffer on August 18, 2018, 01:04:15 PM
...depends on who attends the campfire :D :D :DDing, ding, ding. We have a winner!
Thank you John for the Bit-O-Gold Wit of the Day lol
Post by: Celt on August 19, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
BLUE TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:
Blue Trail Requirements: (Calcite Mine Rd)
4 wheel drive
Recovery gear- Snatch strap/chain/winch are all acceptable
Off road tires such as AT/MT or similar- No street tires
Basic tool kit to include fire extinguisher
Enough water for each person in vehicle (i.e. 1 gallon per person per day)
Basic first aid kit
Desirable.
2m radio tuned to 146.535
front and rear recovery points
Watch Youtube video of Calcite Mine road.
BLUE TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:[/size
Vehicle in safe operational condition
◦ Roll bar or factory installed hard top
◦ Emergency brake, parking brake, line-lock or other redundant braking system.
◦ Tow strap or kinetic rope (recommend rated at 2 times the vehicle weight).
◦ First aid kit
◦ Jack capable of lifting the vehicle & tools to change a tire.
◦ Full size spare tire along with tools to repair/reflate tire.
◦ Fire extinguisher with gauge indicating good/full, appropriately stored
◦ Seat belts for all vehicle occupants
◦ Recovery points front and rear - Tow balls are not recovery points
◦ Battery hold downs (no bungee cords)
◦ Ham Radio or CB (not necessary)
◦ Shovel
◦ Lunch
◦ Extra Water
◦ Hat
◦ Flash Light (extra batteries)
BLACK TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:
TBA
Black Trail Requirements (Mandatory): Pinyon Mtn
Vehicle currently in good working order including parking brake
Solid front and rear recovery points
4wd with low capability
Recovery gear- snatch strap rated for your vehicle/shackles/Hi-Lift or acceptable jack
Offroad tires MT/AT style capable of airing down with appropriate spare/tire repair kit
First aid kit and fire extinguisher
Enough food/water for everyone in your vehicle for 24 hours
Good tool kit with spare parts as necessary for your vehicle
Good off road/rock crawling skills
Desirable:
2m radio tuned to 146.535
Winch
Rear locker
Watch some youtube or similar footage of Pinyon Mtn.
There is a chance of some vehicle damage on two portions of this trip, this is a black trail.
BLUE TRAIL REQUIREMENTS:
Blue Trail Requirements: (Calcite Mine Rd)
4 wheel drive
Recovery gear- Snatch strap/chain/winch are all acceptable
Off road tires such as AT/MT or similar- No street tires
Basic tool kit to include fire extinguisher
Enough water for each person in vehicle (i.e. 1 gallon per person per day)
Basic first aid kit
Desirable.
2m radio tuned to 146.535
front and rear recovery points
Watch Youtube video of Calcite Mine road.
Post by: FrankB on August 19, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
What inquiring minds want to know is Frank B going to grace this trip and maybe campfire with his quick wit and one liners?
I hope to be able to be out there for at least part of it, but that weekend is still uncertain right now.
Post by: Syberia on August 19, 2018, 11:46:10 PM
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Post by: Celt on August 20, 2018, 04:23:57 AM
YouTube doesn't make Calcite Mine seem that bad but I think I'll pass this time.
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Calcite Mine is a classic Anza Borrego run with a lot of history and amazing views. It's not very difficult all in all and we are going through other washes getting there and out through Font's Point which is something not to be missed out there. It's your choice but I personally think you may be missing out on a really great run.
Post by: Syberia on August 20, 2018, 07:38:40 AM
On that note, guess who gets to fix their axle/pinion seals before the trip :(
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Post by: Ghost65 on August 20, 2018, 08:15:33 AM
I have a stock 2005 O/R but almost no experience. Only trails I've done so far are Santiago Peak (did the whole thing at like 5 mph because I didn't deflate my tires first so it was bumpy as hell...), and some rutted gravelly mess in the Mojave that my GPS thought was a road. If you think that's enough, I might be willing to give it a try.
On that note, guess who gets to fix their axle/pinion seals before the trip :(
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CMT (Calcite Mine Trail) has a couple of sections that require careful spotting and use of your factory locker.
If you choose this run, place yourself back in the queue so you can watch how others take successful lines up the first obstacle. It is a seriously rutted section of off camber bumps, that usually puts a stock Xterras sway bars and suspension to the test. Bring a camera/charged smartphone, as the likely-hood of some "three-wheel" photos is high here.
You won't have issues following your trail leaders guidance, airing down to at least 18lbs. PSI, and following through the fun obstacles this run has to offer.
Spotting tip: folks should be guiding you with "driver/passenger" as opposed to "left/right." Also, a quality spotter never uses the command "straighten it out..." as you can't see your wheels orientation from the driver's seat. Spotters should always be guiding with either the "passenger" or "driver" command to get your wheels straight and back on track. Spotter/driver communications should calmly build a sense of confidence and trust that often results in friendships that last a lifetime...
Have fun, and Celt is correct...the history of this trail, combined with the views from the top overlooking the Truckhaven Hills and Anza Borrego Badlands shouldn't be missed.
Post by: Syberia on August 20, 2018, 08:16:56 AM
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Post by: Ghost65 on August 20, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
Maybe I didn't see those parts on YT. I think I'll pass.
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Didn't mean to scare you off this run...I think you'll be fine.
But, we haven't personally met, this IS the internet, so caveat emptor!
CMT isn't a casual drive across a parking lot for sure...but that's where the adventure begins!
Post by: SocalTerraX on August 20, 2018, 10:09:09 AM
Post by: Jayrat on August 20, 2018, 02:09:26 PM
I'm interested in this trip. Need to read up a bit more on the context. ThanksWelcome
Introduce yourself on
https://www.sccxterra.com/smf/index.php?board=15.0
Post by: Syberia on August 20, 2018, 10:33:36 PM
Didn't mean to scare you off this run...I think you'll be fine.I think id rather stick to 4 wheeling for the time being, maybe I'll dabble in 3 wheeling another time.
But, we haven't personally met, this IS the internet, so caveat emptor!
CMT isn't a casual drive across a parking lot for sure...but that's where the adventure begins!
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Post by: EJsarus on August 26, 2018, 09:24:32 PM
Post by: steve c on August 26, 2018, 09:30:22 PM
Sit there, go on trail runs, make a cheesecake in the dutch oven, go over where DRV is and shoot at targets or rocks. - it doesn't matter.
Post by: EJsarus on August 26, 2018, 10:03:12 PM
well with that said, I can feel much more comfortable now.
Post by: steve c on August 26, 2018, 10:07:19 PM
DRV??
well with that said, I can feel much more comfortable now.
DRV = Desert Rendezvous.
Remember, it was windy?
Post by: Celt on August 27, 2018, 04:31:14 AM
Just to make this clear since im not the only with this concern now. As many know now that I got a new truck 4wd. I do intent to attempt some trails but with my concerned wife and new truck on hand,Can I stick to just the camping part? Not really considering trails to prevent any argument with the wife n such. If this is the case, then Im still in, if not then I will have to pass til I get a capable rig where I might just run solo.
If you decide to just camp that's fine you can do whatever you want to do there is no pressure otherwise. The way these trails are being planned is they will range from difficult to very easy. We do this to allow for experienced drivers in built up vehicles can have some challenges. The easier trails are designed and get people out there on other trails to have fun learning about off roading and the area when they go back.
Post by: Syberia on August 28, 2018, 12:30:49 AM
You literally can do whatever you want.Well now that you mention it, I am volunteering my wife to bring cheesecake for the potluck
Sit there, go on trail runs, make a cheesecake in the dutch oven, go over where DRV is and shoot at targets or rocks. - it doesn't matter.
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Post by: Rogue Overland on September 04, 2018, 12:30:31 PM
We may have missed it but have you figured out the meet up coordinates for Friday? We will throw the info out to the NV group once you lock it down.
Looking forward to some campfire/trail time with you all!
Post by: Celt on September 04, 2018, 02:04:47 PM
What will the black trail be for Saturday?
We may have missed it but have you figured out the meet up coordinates for Friday? We will throw the info out to the NV group once you lock it down.
Looking forward to some campfire/trail time with you all!
The black trail is Pinyon Mountain. We have not nailed down exact camp coordinates yet mainly just because its been too darn hot to get down there. We will have that info soon and I'll make sure Jayrat and I touvh base with any of the Nevada crew that attends the American Adventurist Mtn rendezvous this weekend to pass along important info.
Post by: Rogue Overland on September 04, 2018, 03:50:58 PM
Sounds good. Andrew will be there, Alex cannot make it, and it will be too close to our Rubicon trip for me (Nick).
Post by: Celt on September 04, 2018, 05:07:42 PM
That is an awesome trail!
Sounds good. Andrew will be there, Alex cannot make it, and it will be too close to our Rubicon trip for me (Nick).
Sounds good..... Too bad some of you can't make it your company is always enjoyed.
Post by: Rogue Overland on September 11, 2018, 11:37:39 AM
Thanks guys!
Post by: Celt on September 11, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
If this is where we are supposed to post trail sign ups please put Nick down for the black trail Saturday and Canyon Sin Nombre on Sunday. As it sits now Alex will not be able to make it and Andrew isn’t sure if he can swing it yet.
Thanks guys!
We will get you on those trails! Keep us informed if Andrew can get out and I'll make sure he gets the trails he wants.
Post by: Jayrat on September 11, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
If this is where we are supposed to post trail sign ups please put Nick down for the black trail Saturday and Canyon Sin Nombre on Sunday. As it sits now Alex will not be able to make it and Andrew isn’t sure if he can swing it yet.Thanks for posting Buddy >:D
Thanks guys!
Post by: RikRong on September 12, 2018, 08:35:42 AM
Post by: ultrapc40 on September 12, 2018, 08:55:11 AM
Post by: Syberia on September 12, 2018, 09:05:51 AM
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Post by: JCX on September 12, 2018, 11:17:25 AM
Post by: JFanaselle on September 12, 2018, 03:24:47 PM
You can put Jeff W. down for Pinyon Mtn. He drives an XJ and I'm friends with him on FB, wheeled with him several times. I think he's planning on camping, too.
He's also a former member of our group (not sure if he was on our forum specifically, but was definitely within the circle) when he had a lifted Fronty a while back. It was actually purchased back by Nissan under a lemon law issue I think. He's a good dude. Glad he's coming!
Post by: FrankB on September 12, 2018, 03:25:18 PM
Strap them to the top of your X Beverly Hillbillies style
Like this?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/So-Cal-Club-Xterra-SCCX/Mod-Day-Mitch-031710/i-Z5ncs94/0/1d5c4f9e/L/FB013882-L.jpg)
Post by: Syberia on September 12, 2018, 04:10:16 PM
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Post by: Celt on September 12, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
Post by: Syberia on September 12, 2018, 06:45:18 PM
Wherever you end up staying, we will probably get there on Thursday morning so we can have an extra day to explore.
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Post by: FrankB on September 13, 2018, 10:42:20 AM
As it's getting closer this is one of the locations we are looking at https://nextcampsite.com/blair-valley-campground-anza-borrego-sp/
I don't know yet if I'll be able to attend . . . but that won't stop me from commenting.
Blair Valley might just be a really good choice, given that it will be noticeably cooler there compared to down in the lower elevations (for example, around the end of Split Mountain Road). There should be some spots where you can get a lot of vehicles, but you also might want to send someone in advance.
Another nice thing about Blair Valley is that if someone wants to get out and walk, there are some great hiking trails there.
One thing to consider though is that Blair Valley is inside the boundary of Anza Borrego Desert State Park, and thus has all of the usual State Park restrictions.
Post by: JFanaselle on September 13, 2018, 11:12:12 AM
One thing to consider though is that Blair Valley is inside the boundary of Anza Borrego Desert State Park, and thus has all of the usual State Park restrictions.
Are there restrictions that would prove to be an issue?
Post by: Syberia on September 13, 2018, 11:39:54 AM
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Post by: JFanaselle on September 13, 2018, 12:56:26 PM
Not to my knowledge. Im not sure what "state park restrictions" he considers to be a problem.
Most of the additional regulations are aimed at backcountry camping outside of the developed campsites, but here are a few of the published ones. Some of these are common sense (such as picking up your trash), and others are pretty specific to the park and don't apply elsewhere (such as requiring a metal container for fires, or prohibiting firearms).
-The California Vehicle Code applies to all roads in the park - dirt, sandy wash or paved. All vehicles must be highway legal and remain on established roads.
-Vehicles must be parked no more than 1 vehicle length off the road. Do not trample vegetation or drive over geological features.
-Pets must not be left unattended. Dogs and cats must be on the 6 foot leash and under the immediate control of a person during the day and in a tent or vehicle during nighttime hours. They are only allowed on parked roads and within your campsite. Pets are NOT allowed on trails or in wilderness areas. Your pet can only go where vehicles can go.
-Camp at least 100 feet away from all water sources (springs, creeks, streams).
-Ground fires are not permitted. A container with metal sides and bottom must be used for all campfires.
-Bring your own fire wood. Gathering or taking from any live, dead or downed vegetation is prohibited.
-Firearms and fireworks are not permitted anywhere in the park.
-There is no garbage collection in the backcountry so you are responsible for packing out all of your garbage, including toilet paper and human waste. Practice "Leave No Trace."
-All natural and cultural features are protected. Nothing may be removed or disturbed.
-Camping in Anza-Borrego Desert State Park is limited to maximum of 30 days in any calendar year.
Post by: FrankB on September 13, 2018, 03:52:22 PM
Not to my knowledge. Im not sure what "state park restrictions" he considers to be a problem.
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Personally, I don't consider it to be a problem. I really like ABDSP, and spend a lot of time there, especially Blair Valley. That said, there are a few people in SCCX who do not seem to like things like the pet (on hiking trail) restrictions and the firearm restrictions, to name a couple of things. It has come up in the past when I've set up an Xcursion to Blair Valley. I will not specifically point out who doesn't like what in this open forum; and it may not matter depending on who is and is not attending. I just wanted to point out a reminder, since State Park land is quite different from BLM land.
All that said, Blair Valley could be a good choice. It's close to the start of the Pinyon Mountain trail, and also the Arroyo Seco del Diablo trail (and the Diablo Drop-Off). It is, however, a relatively long way on pavement over to say Ocotillo Wells or Calcite Mine.
Post by: Celt on September 13, 2018, 05:11:08 PM
I don't know yet if I'll be able to attend . . . but that won't stop me from commenting.
Blair Valley might just be a really good choice, given that it will be noticeably cooler there compared to down in the lower elevations (for example, around the end of Split Mountain Road). There should be some spots where you can get a lot of vehicles, but you also might want to send someone in advance.
Another nice thing about Blair Valley is that if someone wants to get out and walk, there are some great hiking trails there.
One thing to consider though is that Blair Valley is inside the boundary of Anza Borrego Desert State Park, and thus has all of the usual State Park restrictions.
Frank, those are exactly we are eyeing this as the #1 suspect for the "Spot" couldn't agree more.
Post by: Hawairish on September 14, 2018, 12:41:33 PM
Post by: Celt on September 14, 2018, 02:41:55 PM
I'm over in the AZXC group, though hope you don't mind a Pathfinder joining. I may have two others joining as well from the SoCal area.
No problem at all anyone is welcome!
Post by: SCUBA_Dale on September 14, 2018, 02:47:58 PM
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Post by: Celt on September 14, 2018, 08:37:44 PM
Since I forgot... Sign me up for Sin Nobre on Saturday and Calcite Mine on Sunday.
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Penalty points shall be assessed.
Post by: Syberia on September 14, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
No problem at all anyone is welcome!
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Post by: Celt on September 14, 2018, 08:58:54 PM
All right, I'll be there in my Honda Civic. Black trail, please!
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Hey if you wanna go in a Civic thats your business. I'll bring the video camera and the popcorn!
Post by: steve c on September 14, 2018, 11:28:37 PM
Jay and Celt, I hope you're cool with that?
Maybe CHUSA will come!? :D
Post by: CraigBos on September 16, 2018, 04:16:42 PM
Thanks Jayrat and all!
Post by: FrankB on September 16, 2018, 06:15:17 PM
I linked this post to TNX (https://www.thenewx.org/forum/43-pacific/271162-canvaz-viii-2018-official-thread.html#post4236290)
Jay and Celt, I hope you're cool with that?
Maybe CHUSA will come!? :D
"This forum continually amazes me at how generous people are to each other here. Great job!"
Oh wait, wrong thread.
Post by: Celt on September 16, 2018, 06:22:11 PM
"This forum continually amazes me at how generous people are to each other here. Great job!"
Oh wait, wrong thread.
??? O0 ;) :o
Post by: steve c on September 18, 2018, 09:15:48 AM
Getting close and need to start making plans.
Post by: Jayrat on September 18, 2018, 09:57:40 AM
Post by: knightrider on September 18, 2018, 12:17:56 PM
Post by: Celt on September 18, 2018, 04:35:43 PM
So, are you guys going to formalize this thing soon?
Getting close and need to start making plans.
I put the post of where the campsite will be on the previous page but here is the link: https://nextcampsite.com/blair-valley-campground-anza-borrego-sp/ Other than that Friday Oct 5th is the meet/greet potluck. Saturday we have Pinyon Mtn and Canyon Sin Nombre. Sunday is Calcite Mine and Canyon Sin Nombre. Sage Bromax and my dad will lead a trail on Saturday if need be and he's also leading Canyon Sin Nombre on Sunday for folks that might miss out on it Saturday. The trip ends Sunday unless you want to stay an extra day although I don't know who is doing that as I can't. All of the runs have plenty of room so you just have to pick your poison. If you have other questions post away or call/PM/smoke signal/telegram them to me.
Post by: RBduffer on September 18, 2018, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: vegasvuk on September 19, 2018, 02:09:54 AM
Andrew
Post by: Celt on September 19, 2018, 04:33:15 AM
Put me down for the Blue Trail Saturday with Jay and the Green trail on Sunday with Celt. Is there a meetup time for camping Friday - looks like that area is pretty dispersed ??
Andrew
No formal meet up time, I know there is a potluck Friday for anyone who wishes to participate. I would venture to say if you are there by 1600 you should be fine. The camp area is dispersed but I think as soon as folks start showing up we should all be able to congregate together unless you want a spot away from the group. It's a nice campground with lots of level spots for the RTT guys.
Post by: Celt on September 19, 2018, 04:35:17 AM
Mr. Nit-Picker says Friday is the 5th :P
Pffftttt.... One "Minor" typo brings the jackals out.
8)
Post by: vegasvuk on September 19, 2018, 04:49:27 AM
No formal meet up time, I know there is a potluck Friday for anyone who wishes to participate. I would venture to say if you are there by 1600 you should be fine. The camp area is dispersed but I think as soon as folks start showing up we should all be able to congregate together unless you want a spot away from the group. It's a nice campground with lots of level spots for the RTT guys.
Thanks, sounds good - see you then !
Post by: Syberia on September 19, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
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Post by: CAWoody on September 19, 2018, 08:51:47 AM
Post by: Syberia on September 19, 2018, 09:16:04 AM
I have been told by the boss
Call in sick
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Post by: Ghost65 on September 19, 2018, 10:06:52 AM
Wish there was a little more input from senior management
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Post by: JFanaselle on September 19, 2018, 11:37:55 AM
Post by: CAWoody on September 19, 2018, 12:51:16 PM
Call in sick
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Birthday weekend, she says she has special plans for us. I'm a little afraid. Last time she said that we spent the day with her church friends at some family picnic. To make it even worse, THERE WAS NO BEER.
Post by: knightrider on September 19, 2018, 03:11:08 PM
Post by: Celt on September 19, 2018, 03:26:47 PM
I have a washer tub I can bring
That would be super helpful in case we have to adjust around a little. Hopefully everyone brings a few bundles of wood each to fill it!
Post by: steve c on September 19, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
That would be super helpful in case we have to adjust around a little. Hopefully everyone brings a few bundles of wood each to fill it!
I plan on forging metal with it.
The Asahi can beat me last time we used a washer tub.
Post by: EJsarus on September 19, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
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Post by: SCUBA_Dale on September 27, 2018, 03:37:01 PM
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Post by: Celt on September 27, 2018, 03:39:31 PM
Would there be a problem with me inviting some other folks, non Xterras? Thinking about about 5 other vehicles
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No problemo a'tall
Post by: ultrapc40 on September 28, 2018, 08:35:40 PM
Post by: Celt on September 28, 2018, 10:21:58 PM
I might make the day trip out.
"Day trip" ..............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxJPJ6JY0Pk
Post by: JeffBett on October 01, 2018, 07:06:15 AM
Post by: Syberia on October 01, 2018, 09:18:46 AM
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Post by: JFanaselle on October 01, 2018, 04:02:20 PM
They will be offered for the bargain price of $5 each at CANVAZ only! Bring your $5 bills and scoop them up while supplies last! :)
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Post by: Celt on October 01, 2018, 04:37:35 PM
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Post by: vegasvuk on October 02, 2018, 12:32:50 PM
Post by: SCUBA_Dale on October 02, 2018, 10:08:35 PM
Post by: Celt on October 03, 2018, 04:45:32 AM
Post by: RikRong on October 03, 2018, 02:54:38 PM
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Post by: knightrider on October 03, 2018, 04:27:23 PM
Post by: FrankB on October 03, 2018, 04:58:37 PM
If you bring scotch you will probably wake up buried alive, just sayin.
I thought that was only if it was not single malt.
Post by: Jayrat on October 03, 2018, 08:57:55 PM
Are we required to bring Scotch or something like that?I have the Laminated Name Tags printed
Post by: Celt on October 03, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
I have the Laminated Name Tags printed
I have the obligatory clothing:
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Well minus those stylin shoes anyway.
Post by: joser26 on October 03, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
2 more nights, and the fun begins! I have all the name tags printed, just getting them laminated as we speak. >:D lol
Rik are you heading down from the AV? What time you going?
Meet up is at the Blair Valley campground correct?
Post by: RikRong on October 04, 2018, 09:44:23 AM
Rik are you heading down from the AV? What time you going?I am. I plan on trying to leave about 8 tomorrow morning. We'll see how that really works out, though. Lol Yes, meet up is at the campground.
Meet up is at the Blair Valley campground correct?
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Post by: Syberia on October 04, 2018, 09:46:46 AM
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Post by: steve c on October 04, 2018, 11:27:47 AM
Couple of questions -
2. I REALLY hate to be this guy, but is there cell service out there? I know I know, we're suppose to be relaxing, but work always feels better about me taking time off when they know they can get a hold of me, lol.
ETA, I actually looked at a map. I'll answer my own question - YES it's easy to find off the pavement. lol
ETA 2, See, they even have a sign.
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Post by: Celt on October 04, 2018, 11:59:32 AM
Post by: Sage Bromax on October 04, 2018, 12:07:44 PM
I will be heading out in about an hour.
Post by: steve c on October 04, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
Considering that Syberia was able to log onto this forum from camp (note the picture he posted just above your post Steve C.), I am betting there is service of some variety there.
I will be heading out in about an hour.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Hopefully there will be something :)
Post by: Syberia on October 04, 2018, 01:42:21 PM
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Post by: Celt on October 04, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
Always one wise guy in the bunch...
Post by: Sage Bromax on October 04, 2018, 03:55:16 PM
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Post by: ultrapc40 on October 05, 2018, 08:05:44 AM
Post by: JFanaselle on October 05, 2018, 11:26:17 AM
Well... work just loaded me up. I can’t make it now. Have to prep for a presentation. I am super bum
That sucks. You will be missed. :(
Just an update for everyone else, Jessica and I should be at camp by about 4:00 pm.
Post by: zaphos on October 05, 2018, 01:12:57 PM
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Post by: EJsarus on October 07, 2018, 08:22:10 PM
Post by: RikRong on October 08, 2018, 03:53:19 PM
We're finally almost packed up, delayed by rain but got to see the second stage of a space x launch and that was awesome. Didn't even know there was one tonight but just happened to look up at the right moment.It was great meeting you all this weekend. If we gave out awards, you'd win for most luxurious camp.
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Post by: RikRong on October 08, 2018, 03:55:09 PM
Cant wait to see pictures.... I was really bummed not being able to go.I didn't get a ton, as I was tail gunning, but here's a few. I'm sure more will trickle in.
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Post by: RBduffer on October 08, 2018, 10:14:46 PM
Lots of new people, lots of new friends. It was great to see all my old buddies and meet so many new ones.
A special thanks to Jay for setting up everything and to Erik for leading the Sunday run. Also to Joe and Jay for helping me 'air up', as I came so unprepared. I look forward to seeing everyone soon, you know who you are :-*
Post by: JFanaselle on October 09, 2018, 11:03:46 AM
I took a ton of photos on the Sunday run, but haven't had a chance to go through them yet. I'll get them posted up within the next 24 to 48 hours. We should start a "pictures" thread.
Post by: JeffBett on October 09, 2018, 11:35:39 AM
Keep the squeeze butter flowing.....
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